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Steelers: 4 titles in 6 years.
Niners: 4 titles in 8 years.
Pats: 4 in 14.
Brady can be talked about as the one of the QBs ever but the Pats can't hold the 70s Steelers or 80s Niners jocks.

 

Brah, the convo was about Brady being the best QB ever, not the Patriots of the previous decade being the best team ever during a given era. If you want to have that debate, we surely can. The Iron Curtain was clearly a defining movement in the league, the first dynasty of that length. The 80s Niners were amazing and I loved them because my father was a huge Niners fan back then. But the league was much different then and is harder to compete in now. Schitt bro, we've got teams pumping in fake crowd noise to their stadiums and not even winning.

The 2000s Pats are most definitely in the same convo as those other two teams. 3 SB titles in 4 years. Neither Bradshaw nor Montana did that. Aikman did though, so the 90s Cowboys are right in this debate too. There were a couple years in between the two Steeler back-to-backs as well as Montana's three different runs (one back-to-back). The Pats were in the SB 5 out of 7 years while the Steelers were 5 of 6.

Bro, the Pats have gone to the AFC Championship game each of the last 4 years - the dynasty is still alive and well. If they don't make it, the season is a big disappointment even with a division title. That's pretty high standards son. Even if they've only won 1 SB in the last 4 years, no other team in the league has been as dominant as they've been so far in the 2010s decade.

We can have your debate about what team has had the best short-term dynasty but we can't have a conversation about who's had the best 14-year run because no other team has been to 9 conference title games and 6 SB games in 14 years. The Pats didn't just dominate a half of a decade like your Steelers or the 90s Cowboys, or sporadically across a decade like the 80s Niners. They've dominated a decade and a half and there's no end in sight.

Come talk to me when you have another team that we can put up against the 2001-2015 (maybe 2020) Patriots. Until then, the only debate is who's the best QB. But now Brady either holds or is tied for every single notable playoff/Super Bowl record or mark possible, so that argument is running thin as well.

Brady:
4 Super Bowl wins (tied for record)
3 Super Bowl MVPs (tied for record)
6 SB appearances (record)
9 Conference title appearances (record)
12 Division titles (record)
21 Playoff wins (record)

That's just post-season, and no stats listed. I already did that earlier in dis tread.

Peace out.

 

Most SB passing TDs 12(Montana 11)
Most SB first half completions 20
Most SB completions 37(Peyton 34 last year)

WICKED FOURTH!!!!

 

That finish yesterday had to be one of the most bizarre of all recorded history. WTF are they doing throwing a pass when Lynch had been running all over the place all day?

Yeah, y'all NE fans... Go ahead and say how great the Pats are. If I was a Pat fan, I'd prolly zip it though. I'd realize that for some reason which may never truly be known, Seattle handed me that game on a silver platter.

Don't think I'd be able to honestly say my team actually won that game. Just slink away into the darkness, cuz Pats did not win that one. It was one of the most unbelievable gifts in the history of earth.

Brady best of ALL TIME?

N***a please.

 

What are you talking about? They haven't won a championship in a decade. 10 YEARS!! Tom Brady is going to be 38 years old when next season starts and there's no ending in sight?? What? Now if you want to say the Patriots are more a product of Belicheck than Brady you may have an argument. He better thank Butler for making the best defensive play ever and the Seahawks for making the worst play call ever. I don't care what you say you knew your team was going to lose last night. I still can't believe it.

 

Don't call me 'Brah'. I aint your Brah. You haven't earned enough respect to call me brah or bro or brother. Second, I clearly stated that Brady should be considered one of the best of all time. He's won titles with teams filled with role players. As an Eagles fan, that's a bitter pill to swallow but I have to admit it. It's fact. BUT as I and others have stated, in terms of all time TEAMS, the Pats run behind the Steelers, Niners, 60s Packers, and maybe even the 90s ugh, Cowboys.

 

Dude the Patriots won the game - get over it. Tom Brady did his job good enough to get them in a position to win with 2 minutes left. The defense came through and found a way to stop Seattle. Probably the greatest Super Bowl ever won with a team effort and the best quarterback in the history of the game...

[video=youtube;Cz8ENFKYXe0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz8ENFKYXe0[/video]

 

RUN THE FOOTBALL. Talk about stealing defeat from the jaws of victory. BEAST MODE STILL BE WAITING FOR THE OFF TACKLE RUN. YOU GOT A TIMEOUT PETE!!!! RUN THE BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Really? I thought they were going to lose to, but that pick was leveling the playing field from how they got there. Everyone seems to be forgetting about the miracle catch that got them out of a 3rd & 10 situation at midfield. Lottery-like odds of that ball bouncing into a position where Kearse can make a play on it. Wilson wasn't getting his team down the field if that play doesn't happen. He was a non-factor in that game for the most part.

I cannot wait for the Seahawks to have to pay him $20 million a years and never get back to another Super Bowl. It's extremely easy to build a great team when your QB is playing well for only $800,000; essentially for free.

 

Emass, with his eternal supply of stoke and considerable powers of persuasion, put some Jedi Mind Clamp on Pete Carroll. "You WILL throw the ball, Pete... You will throw the ball and ENJOY it..." Carroll sends in the play, and... BOOM! Pick

No other reasonable explanation, other than Carroll havin a 60s window pane flashback, exists.

 

Even though I was saying they have been the dominant team in the league over the last decade and a half...we will downshift and play at your speed and only discuss the last 10 then the last 5.

Hey, Jimmy the Greek, feast on the following:

New England Patriots in the last 10 seasons
122-38 (76.3%)
9 out of 10 AFC East Titles
6 out of 10 AFC Championship Appearances
4 AFC Titles & 4 Super Bowl Appearances
1 Super Bowl Title
Missed playoffs 1 time (11-5)
Won playoff games 7 out of 10 years

Pittsburg Steelers in the last 10 seasons
101-59 (63.1%)
4 out of 10 AFC North Titles
3 out of 10 AFC Championship Appearances
3 AFC Titles & 3 Super Bowl Appearances
2 Super Bowl Titles
Missed playoffs 4 times (8-8, 8-8, 8-8, 9-7)
Won playoff games 3 out of 10 years

Yes, the Patriots have been the dominant team in the NFL in the last 10 years. The one time they missed they playoffs in the last 10 they managed to go 11-5. The Steelers may have won 2 SBs to the Pats' 1 in that time, but they were .500 or just over nearly half the seasons in the last decade.

Now, for the current decade, which I contend the Patriots are the dynasty team of the 2010s if there even is one to be named:

Patriots 2010-present
63-17 (78.6%)
5 AFC East Titles
Made all 5 playoffs
7-4 playoff record
4 AFC Championship Appearances
2 AFC Titles & 2 Super Bowl Appearances
1 Super Bowl Title

vs.

Packers 2010-present
56-23-1 (70.1%)
4 NFC North Titles
Made all 5 playoffs
6-5 playoff record
2 NFC Championship Appearances
1 NFC Title & 1 Super Bowl Appearance
1 Super Bowl Title

No other team is close to this near perfection as all others have had a bad season or two.

Numbers don't lie buoys. At least I'm backing up my claims with numbers. I challenge the rest of you to do that.

When we talk about the BEST of anything over a given time period, we are clearly referring to CONSISTENT TOP PROFICIENCY.

Umm...yeah. He hasn't missed a game since 2008. He was Super Bowl MVP this season and a regular season MVP candidate. He carved up one of the best so-called defenses in NFL history last night with record-setting precision completing 74% of 50 pass attempts and a perfect 8-for-8 on the game-winning drive. It would take another blown out knee or similar to wind down his career in the next 5 years prematurely. Look at photos - the guy is not aging like a normal human being. He is meticulous to a fault with his health and upkeep.

Every play in that game, and any game, is but one single play. We could isolate over 20 plays in the game and define them as ultra-critical to the outcome. The wildest catch in Super Bowl history that was far from a product of pure skill is what even put them in that situation. You think Brady wouldn't have engineered a 31 second game-tying FG drive to push it to OT if the Hawks did score? Yes, he would have.

Bro. Scroll up in dis tread numerous times where I contend on multiple occasions and seasons that I NEVER worry about this team. Not down 28 in the first half to Denver last year and not down 14 twice in the same playoff game this year. I simply have full confidence in this team at all times and my faith is backed by empirical evidence. End of story.

 

Then watch the game again, review the aforementioned statistics and achievements of the team and Brady and maybe you might start getting a grip that this team bleeds dominance and excellence. Do yourself a favor and start believing it or the next 5 NFL seasons will present you with a similar mental/emotional struggle.

 

Let's trust an OC that got this team within a c-hair of consecutive SB titles. That play call is not what everyone is beside themselves on, it's the result.

Since photos and GIFs of players' facial expressions to last night's plays are so highly publicized, does anyone have links to any of Lockette's face when he realized that he was not in fact wide effin open on that route? It was a flawlessly executed pick play on the 2v1 matchup at the goal line. Watch it again if you don't think so. Butler's read and reaction was perfection and honestly even the league's top safeties would not stop that completion even 5 of 10 times let alone intercept it.

That was one down on one possession. This is the Patriots' defense we are talking about, and with their first SB ring in a decade on the line. You think they were really going to get steamrolled on the goal line when it truly mattered? You've got Vince Wilfork and the 10 Cuban refugees that he swallowed clogging the A, B and C gaps. No typical dive, rip, or smash play was going to put Lynch in the end zone.

Every coordinator in the league knows they need to be more than creative to pull off a red zone stand against NE in that instance. This isn't your grandpa's 3 yards and a cloud of dust NFL of 1966.

You're right. You couldn't say that. Because your Eagles team has been on the golf course and poolside since before the playoffs started after that nice December they had. At least they capped off the campaign by beating the 6-10 Giants. Small victories, right?

You talking about Kearse's crotchal reception on the 3-yd line when his nutsack haphazardly caught the ball? Yes, a gift for sure. But one involving a decent amount of skill to boot.

We don't need to. The truth is in the books.

Yes. You want the roll call of stats again? There are more than a few updated records since I last listed them that puts him well past Montana in the grand scheme. And please, don't even mention the guy that makes all the faces. He's not a playoff QB.

Bro. I precede 90% of my posts here with "Bro". No news to anyone and nothing to take offense with. Let me know the protocol to earn your respect Bro and I'll consider it LOL

The 2001-04 Patriots won 3 of 4 Super Bowls. Only one other team has ever done that, the 1992-95 Cowboys. The Pats aren't "running behind" anyone in that respect.

Again, you want to lay claims down, then do the same with stats. Otherwise, what you type is merely an opinion and do we really give a damn what each other's opinions are? None of us are football masterminds.

 

Ed Zachary.

Ed Zachary.

 

Yesterday: I was watching a bunch of commercials and a football game kept interrupting, WTF

 

Dang, Emass. You ain't one of them secret Army experimental cyborgs, are you? It woulda took me til Easter to spout all them stats. I still think either acid or a Jedi mind trick was involved. It was a game for the ages, but no way Seattle throws that pass under any normal circumstances.

Wish the Houston Texans had a QB. Any of y'all play QB? We kinda need one.

 

Interwebs bro. I only know a third of that by heart at most.

 

Congrats emass. Glad your boys did it!

 

Ok, Ok. Nat's right.

Let the wicked awesome celebrations continue.

Next Supa Bowl, Texans vs Cowboys.

While I'm dreamin...

 

2007, 2011.



This guy never threw deflated footballs into pass coverage that he already knew would be there. And he's got two rings.