Offshore Drilling

or not.
risky.
once again humans......making....risky decisions.

 

Kill baby Kill in the name of the allmighty dollar!

 

Very good points! I don't think any benefits of offshore drilling would outweigh these potential consequences.

 

dude I can get PB AND J in the SAME FVCKIN JAR
my buddy's got a robot that vacuums his house while he's not there.
and I recently discovered that there are DOG CAKES... yes, if your dog has a birthday coming up, you can buy it a cake made out of dog food.
and you're telling me there's no other way to make shoes and wetsuits than drilling into the only earth we got and spew bullsh!t everywhere?
yea I'm sure you're invested.
maybe your grandkids will figure it out when their beaches are covered with muck balls and they can't see the sun rise over the ocean because there's a "sky-line" of oil rigs.
Thomas Jefferson was a bigot. I'm angry, and for good reason.
if you aren't angry, then you're not paying attention. nevertheless futile, but at least I'm aware of who the a$$holes are drilling my future into the dirt. (or ocean floor in this case)

 

By lunch time you've probably benefited from more than 100 common items that would not exist without petroleum. Without petroleum we'd be living like they did back in the year 1910.

 

so I use a bunch of sh!t made from petroleum.
cool? what's the relevance in that statement?
We used to paint houses with lead-paint, then we figured out it was dangerous, and we developed ways of painting houses without lead paint. so do you think that when we developed new paint, they were like, well, we're still using the other sh!t so fvck it! no, cause there wasn't a major investment made in lead-paint.
so the dolphins, whales and seals would like to thank you for your investment.

 

plant/hemp based products/polymers can take the place of some plastics

memory plastics like PEX tubing might not be able to be substituted

saying 'this is how it is' is loser talk for people stuck in status quo

 

If you know of ways other than using petroleum, propose them. I will even invest in good ideas.
But just whining about how bad things are,or rather, complaining with no solutions, is nonsensical.
I further suggest you do not get angry. You see, it is out of the circle of your control, or any INDIVIDUALS control. Getting angry hurts just you.
Cheers!

 

That being an angry ass about it while typing on keys made of plastic (petroleum based) makes you a hypocrit. BTW how much money have you invested in companies that are trying to find other ways for power? Do you send money to solar co ops? Do you fund research for wind energy? Do you drive a fukin electric vheicle to the beach and when you get there do you surf a board made of wood? Didn't think so.

 

I just don't think people grasp what an incredible substance petroleum is and how much of out modern lifestyle depends on it. Heck, even the clothing on your back this very minute may not exist without it. Its a must have for modern life.

 

Don't forget, a lot of these guys believe in attacks by UFOs and "intelligent design".
Wooohoooo!!!

 

Examples of products we use (or encounter) every day that contain petroleum are:
BUNKER FUEL Bunker fuel, which is also know as heavy oil, is used to power ships. It typically contains a high number of pollutants and contaminants. Use is increasing with the shipping associated with global commerce.
DETERGENT All soapless detergents used to wash clothes and dishes are derived from the petrochemical glycerin.
PLASTICS All plastic, unless it is “bioplastic”, is made from petrochemicals. Every product made from or containing plastic is a product that exists only through the distillation of petroleum.
JET FUEL The standard type of jet fuel, Jet A, is a petroleum product with a number of additives to prevent sparking, gumming, corrosion, and icing.
DIESEL FUEL Diesel, unless it is “biodiesel”, is made from refining crude oil. It is generally used in medium- and heavy-duty vehicles requiring a great deal of power and torque, like garbage trucks, road equipment, buses, and trains.
HEATING OIL Heating oil is a petroleum product used to fuel furnaces or boilers. In the U.S., most heating oil is consumed in the northeast.
SYNTHETIC RUBBER- Synthetic rubber is used for car tires and rubber soles on shoes. The demand for synthetic rubber is four times greater than that for natural rubber.
SYNTHETIC FIBERS- Polyester, nylon, and acrylic are all derived from petrochemicals. They are used for curtains, carpets, rope and even our everyday clothing.
FERTILIZERS & PESTICIDES- All major commercial fertilizers are ammonia based, made from natural gas, and most commercial pesticides come from oil.
PAINT -Plastic and oil based paints, as well as paint additives, are manufactured from petrochemicals.
GASOLINE- Gasoline is the most commonly used product by Americans for their day to day transportation needs. 45% of all oil used in the U.S. goes to gasoline, which means we consume in excess of 180 million gallons of gasoline a day.
PHOTOGRAPHIC FILM - Pertochemical ethylene is what is used in photographic film.
FOOD ADDITIVES - The shelf life of canned foods can be increased by food additives, derived from petrochemicals.
MAKE UP - Make-up’s that contain oils, perfumes, waxes and color, are derived from petrochemicals.
MEDICINE - Acetylsalicylic acid (ASA), the active ingredient in many pain reliever medicines, is manufactured from petrochemicals.
CANDLES - Wax is a raw petroleum product.

 

oh; you HAD to mention wax...

 

Wow CJ I new a lot of things were made from oil or it's byproducts but that is really eye opening.

 

Well I'm quite surprised. I figured my statements would get me pilloried. Let me say thank you for the well thought out replies.

Okay Quoted replies....... and Comments

"Rocdoc, speculate on peak oil?"
There is no such measurement as peak oil. Hubbert proposed current production (world wide) would peak in 1970. His prediction was challenged in 1984 and again in 2014, only to be followed by catastrophic drops in crude oil prices. Hummm ? the market at work ? I think so. Its better to think in terms of peak technology. The oil industry will explore for and produce crude oil at an economic price. Technology has the ability to change the economics.

"under impression Saudi wells 'HAVE' to pump because salt water was injected into well to keep well producing @ high outputs? am I grossly misinformed?"

Excellent question !!! Discovery dates for Saudi fields ranges from approx 1948 to current day. The older fields are under pressure maintenance (water injection as you stated) Newer fields flow naturally. You are correct, in the older fields if the Saudi's cease production and/or injection they most likely will permanently lose the production.

"Does the OPEC perspective of "squeezing" our domestic efforts play in to your reasoning for lower gas prices/crude oil?"

Absolutely ! In my opinion its a multifaceted analysis. Our domestic oil producers present a challenge to the USA import market. Our increased production presents a problem for Venezula, Mexico, and Canada. Not so much the Saudi's and the middle east. The USA gets very little crude oil from the middle east. But its a world market. So if we (USA) put 2.5 million daily bbls in here, somebody has to take 2.5 million daily bbls out.

"but the oil industry has not been the beacon of truth over the years."
no argument from me. But please remember no matter what they say, they are still subject to market economics.

"Maybe Saudi Arabia is producing so much because they want to decimate Iran's economy that relies on oil being $160 a barrel."

No doubt the Saudi's would like to see Iran's economy shrink. Developing nuclear weapons is expensive. But let us not overlook Russia. Russia is the number 1 competitor, in crude oil production at the world scale, to the Saudis. The common theme is simple. The Saudi's want to exert there control over the worldwide market for crude oil.

Okay, I'm off to Bonaire tomorrow. I'll catch up when I get back

rocdoc

 

so roc doc, if peak oil is a myth, is oil unlimited?
kinda hard to imagine it is considering we live on finite planet
peak oil is the point at which output declines, yes
that has to be a real point in time unless we have infinite oil

 

If one more person says Cheers, I think I will barf in my hat. Save it for the monarch or move there. It must be trendy now, like oil stocks. There's only one thing worse, French Canadians. I still don't know anyone in the mid-atlantic or south who doesn't hate when those ****ers show up in the summer.

 

What food contains these food additives and what medicine? I definitely want to avoid eating gas. If everyone just trapped their farts dutch oven style, could we use that to heat our houses and jacuzzis.

 

Oil is not unlimited. I disagree with your comment that peak oil is the point at which output declines. You must have missed my previous comments. Current day production levels are dependent on market prices. The recent drop in oil prices will surely cause a drop in production. Did we just pass another peak oil point ? No !!! We just had a change in the market price.

Try this thought, to effectively estimate a peak oil curve, you would have to start with a comprehensive understanding of the total resource inventory. (ie: know where all the crude oil is) Not even the largest oil companies have such a total resource inventory. Good example is the Baken in North Dakota, the major oil companies totally missed the opportunity.

The current reality for a total resource inventory, the oil industry is finding oil reserves where we never thought of looking.

As to future resources, the limitation is political, not geological. Of the offshore resource areas the USA has available, 2/3 of the gulf coast is PARTIALLY exploited, NONE of the East Coast, <10% of Alaska,and <10% of the west coast.
reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offsho...States#mediaviewer/File:Ocs_status_map_8f.jpg

The simple approach to understanding the total resource of crude oil, maybe 500 years, and then we'll switch to coal or natural gas.

I'm not worried. Neither should you be.

Rocdoc

 

thank you very much, not worried, just looking for the world to use oil for things/products and not energy, thats my dream.....