OK, it's time to vote

enviromentalists are awesome for the surfing community- they awesomed Clark Foam and many more surfboard manufacturers right out of business in California! You know California- the most liberal and most broke state in the nation, followed by NY & MA the 2nd and 3rd most broke and liberal.

as for the question posed: republicans and the tea party are the ones at least saying your personal rights and freedom to do what you want, when and where you want to are their priority- follow liberal collectivism to it's illogical end: is your pursuit of waves a valuable use of the collectives resources (gas for your car to chase waves, petrochemicals for your boards and wetsuits, the air you breath? remember you exhale Co2 and that's a pollutant!) they want to control distribution of?

I am reminded of the Dead Kennedy's 1979 classic "California Uber-Alles" (Uber Alles, of course, being German for "over all" and the beginning of the now forbidden Nazi [socialist democrats, mind you] national anthem) :

I am Governor Jerry Brown
My aura smiles
And never frowns
Soon I will be president...

Carter Power will soon go away
I will be Fuhrer one day
I will command all of you
Your kids will meditate in school
Your kids will meditate in school!

[Chorus:]
California Uber Alles
California Uber Alles
Uber Alles California
Uber Alles California

Zen fascists will control you
100% natural
You will jog for the master race
And always wear the happy face

Close your eyes, can't happen here
Big Bro' on white horse is near
The hippies won't come back you say
Mellow out or you will pay
Mellow out or you will pay!

[Chorus]

Now it is 1984
Knock-knock at your front door
It's the suede/denim secret police
They have come for your uncool niece

Come quietly to the camp
You'd look nice as a drawstring lamp
Don't you worry, it's only a shower
For your clothes here's a pretty flower.

DIE on organic poison gas
Serpent's egg's already hatched
You will croak, you little clown
When you mess with President Brown
When you mess with President Brown

[Chorus]

Yes that same Jerry Brown who's running a shameless smear and lies campaign in California as we speak.

 

man i love dk. wearing their shirt right now. i remember being told back in the 80s i would grow out of them, but at 39 i still rock them out. got to see them before their breakup while jello was still on vocals.

 

i don't know if this is sarcasm or not, but yeah it's sadly looking like this more, and more. growing up i actually was really into socialism. in high school i researched it a lot, and thought it sounded great, after delving more into it i realized it was actually not an ideaology i was so supportive of. so back in 1986 when i was not even old enough to vote i would have loved to see a candidate like obama come, and save the country from reagan. i voted for obama myself in 08, but he and his so called democrats are giving everyone in the middle class the screw. i work too hard to give all my money to the federal government. MOST people do. the people who do not are those who set the regulations. this health care thing is crap. just a bs tax. this administration is actually gonna drive people into poverty rather than make the poor prosper. i won't say every democrat is like this, but they are all politicians, and i don't trust ANY of them. donkey or elephant.

actually last year was the first time i ever voted a republican in my life. well i might have on a local municipal level, but not on a state or national level. i voted chris christie for governor of jersey. corzine had 4 years, and i didn't see anything good going on there so i thought it was time to throw the bum out. christie i don't like him that much, but he's done more in his not even a year in office than most even if a lot of what he's done i don't agree with. property taxes going up sky high just to give raises to these workers in the towns when no one else even gets a raise, and god knows what else they are doing with the money. if i don't like christie i'll vote him out in 2013 thats all. just like i'm voting obama out in 2012. tomorrow i'm torn. i might vote democrat for a few, and i might vote republican for a few. i don't like republicans anymore than the bleeding heart liberals like them. i think they should but out with all of this moral crap like abortion rights, and gay marriage bans. i think the government should control gay marriage as much as they should control my health care. in other words not at all.

 

Obama and the Democrats tried to pass a middle-class tax cut that was blocked by the Republicans.

 

taxes are going up for everyone if the cuts expire. because it's only ''fair''. i can't stand this guy. yes i voted for him too. if i run a small business which i do, and made over $250 grand which i don't, and had 5 guys to pay which i don't, i would be taxed to the ground. so let me ask you this. you don't think your taxes are gonna go up in 2010? not at all? i'm more liberal than most, but i can't stand this guy.

 

I bought a house last year, so under Obama I paid 8k less in taxes than the previous year... worked out pretty well for me


And again... the Republicans are the ones who blocked the middle class from getting a tax-cut.

 

as far as tax brackets go what about next year? all the brackets might go up. the 10% one will be no more. i still wanna see how this pans out. i myself will s h i t a brick if they go up for everyone. personally i think the more money you make the more you should be taxed. the individuals though. not the businesses as a whole. cause i myself would not wanna pay the same amount of taxes as someone who makes a million a year would or should. so i am fine with paying more taxes than someone making $30000 a year. by the way $30 grand a year in jersey is pretty damn near poverty level. if you are supporting a family on $30 grand a year in jersey you are probably not getting by too good at all. i don't see how they are getting by at all. everyone who loves this obama how do you feel about this wonderful health care overhaul? fining people who don't purchase health insurance? what about people who can't afford it? oh yeah the government will give you assistance yeah. i would like to see the government give assistance to someone making $40 grand a year for health insurance. aint gonna happen. not to mention health care is going up even more than the last few years, and they went up a lot in the last few years. some peoples policies have already went up ten percent in the last year. so a family who doesn't get benefits for health at their jobs that buys their own policy who paid say $1200 bucks a month this last year are seeing their premiums rise to $1320 a month!


don't get me wrong. sarah palin, all these tea party characters, all these ''we want less government, and don't want them interfering in our lives, oh and marriage is sacred, and blah blah blah blah no gay marriage, blah blah blah blah'' and all this glenn beck commentary. i don't like them anymore than i do obama. i probably dislike them more than obama. i don't like all this crap going on down in arizona harrassing anyone who looks like a foreigner. i don't like any of it. this health insurance thing is garbage. especially the excise tax. it actually sounds like something the republicans would do to be honest. only the republicans would say if you don't have insurance we're gonna turn you away at the emergency room! yeah i know reagan the republican warrior was behind not turning away folks at the emergency room. regardless it sound like something they would do. how about social security? seniors haven't gotten a raise since this guy has been in office, but he has money to give to other countries, and big corporations, and the banks, and all that? i have to pay self employment tax. do you know what i pay in social security taxes a year for my business can probably pay for at least one persons yearly social security benefits, and then some?

 

Yes.

DMV won't be running my health care very soon. But, Medicare will!

Actually, despite all the so called gripes about "big government and Fed Gov't incompetence," the Feds do quite a good job administering Social Security and Medicare. I have more serious concerns about how the Department of Defense is administered. What happens in the private sector in terms of fraud, waste, abuse and theft can be quite surprising -- but companies are closed systems and don't like to air their dirty laundry. It is written off as the cost of doing business.

 

It may have been started by some private citizen bird lovers but the judge made some far reaching decisions. The judge is a Ronald Reagen appointee.

 

As long as free and open beach access is available to all citizens (e.g., parking) I believe that the beach replenishments should be paid by a surcharge on the property tax assessment of dwellings next or near to the beach. As a surfer, most beach replenishments are detrimental to the surf quality and too many Ocean City/Md and Delaware condos and buildings effectively restrict access. For some reason beach side property owners expect some publicly paid entitlement for a not so public good. They also expect their insurance premiums to be subsidized by the taxpayer.

As to the party that can tangibly do more for the surfing community, I say reach out to all parties, and appeal to our mutual interests. Rep. Bilbray (R-CA) is an example of a conservative congressman who helped pass the Beach Act many years ago. Clean water is good for everyone and it is a public good.

 

Clark Foam going out of business was one of the best things to happen to the surf industry. It unleashed innovation and new markets. Better and more competitive products are now available. In the long run a free market with plenty of healthy competition trumps monopolies.

Funny thing about the states you mention... they are also among the richest states in the union, not the poorest states.

 

Environmentalists are generally more supportive of surf related issues

Generally speaking, I think environmentalists support surf related issues - clean water, natural surroundings, etc. Most environmentalists seem to come from the Democratic camp - oppose offshore oil drilling, etc. You always have to look at the individual - hence I consider myself an independent - but in most cases I find myself voting for the most environmentally friendly candidate, which is usually a Democrat. Mahalo!!

 

Rod, He said broke not poor. Those states he mentioned have some of the largest budget deficits.
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=711

 

1.How dow we fix a flawed system?
2.How can you vote on an issue alone? You cant, you vote on a persons word about what they say they are going to do. What is their incentive to push an issue?===> $$$$

One DE county is sending out vote cards to see if the people in the county want to spend $25 more a year to have a separate yard waste can as yard waste will be illegal to put with your houshold trash. They spent $12,000 on the whole mailing. Maybe if the feds adopted this type of approach would we actually get people voting on issues rather than some stupid donkey or elephant.

How many people support a particular party because their parents supported it?

Remove the candidates? Remove the money, maybe issues will be dealt with? until then, greed isnt going anywhere!

Oh yeah, where were we 6 years ago.....spending billions on blowing up some country that didnt have what we went in to blow up in the first place. Alterior motives? who knows.....at least were spending more on America than an overpriced fireworks display.

Why am I paying to save those Bethany beachfront houses from a storm? On top of that you cant surf there anymore. So I paid to not surf that beach.

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Term limits would clean a lot of the stuff up. There would be reduced pork since the congressman wouldn't feel the need to bring home money to buy votes to get elected. In my perfect world, you would go into the voting booth and there would be a screen with 2 columns. One would be for candidate A and the other for B. Each column would list the things each candidate would like to do if elected and you would select the person based on that. No names, not ads.

The other thing I would do is change who can vote. You would have to serve in the military for at least 2 years and NOT receive more than 25 percent of your income from govt assistance to be able to vote. How is that for radical?

 

i'm just glad we have two identical threads about politics on a surfer website,means we care twice as much,plus we get confused which thread we're on,since politics is corrupt,dishonest and confusing

 

Maryland is well known "Riparian" right State while N.J. and Delaware are not (landowner owns rights to the beach and water) I'm surprised their has not been a court challenge who has legal right to regulate the Ocean water (City, State, Federal)? Further more if Stimulus monies are used for beach replenishment subsidized by tax payers then opens arguments under "Public Domain Doctrine".

 

Just need to keep the rhetoric clear. I would rather be "rich" and have "debt" than be poor and without debt. The Tea Party makes this simple minded rhetoric about "I can balance a checkbook" so why can't gov't (or corporations for that matter).

As you know well, pump, we usually take out loans for automobiles and homes, aka capital investments. Nothing wrong with that as long as one can afford the loan payment and doesn't try to live beyond one's means. So... I ran an annual deficit for many years and had much more debt than income. My personal GDP ration of income:debt looked like I could default! But, I did live within my means.

In other words, levels of capital debt by local, state and federal govts are prudent. However, I do not advocate borrowing for pay for regular operating expenses (consumption, not capital).

 

One of the most idealistic and stupid things I have read recently! Of course, for a Nazi it is rather reasonable