people at the mercy of a gov't gone "fowl"

Discussion in 'Mid Atlantic' started by njsurfer42, Sep 14, 2010.

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  1. njsurfer42

    njsurfer42 Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2009
    having trouble embedding the video...so go here: http://vimeo.com/14696293 & watch it! then take some sort of positive action & make your voice heard!

    the fact that this is STILL going on pisses me off... :mad:
     
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  2. andrewk529

    andrewk529 Well-Known Member

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    Honestly, in my opinion the entire National Seashore should be closed to vehicle traffic. For anyone to completely disregard an avian species, who's only refuge is a few square miles, is arrogant. Do you have any idea how many toxic chemicals combustion engines utilize? Think of how much ends up on the beach. If your too lazy to hike a few miles, maybe you should stop eating hamburgers and hit the gym.
     
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  3. ND081

    ND081 Well-Known Member

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    i suggest this thread is locked before another "motion vs mikeb" breaks out over politics
     
  4. beachbreak

    beachbreak Well-Known Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    to save some lame bird that doesn't want to be there in the first place they kill the cats,foxes,raccoons,nutria and more
     
  5. beachbreak

    beachbreak Well-Known Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    oh,and it was made for the people,the cape hatteras national seashore RECREATION area
     
  6. andrewk529

    andrewk529 Well-Known Member

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    It's reality, there are hundreds of species negatively impacted by vehicle traffic on beaches; stop the car and walk! I am sure everyone could use the exercise.
     
  7. andrewk529

    andrewk529 Well-Known Member

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    Why do you need to drive a 4-Wheel Drive on the beach to enjoy the outdoors?
     
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  8. ND081

    ND081 Well-Known Member

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    i agree with banning vehicles on the beach, but they shouldnt be shooting and trapping other predators
     
  9. andrewk529

    andrewk529 Well-Known Member

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    From an ecological standpoint, humans need to mitigate the existential threats to preserve an endangered species. Read Peter Matthiessen's "Wind birds", it will open anyone's eyes.

    http://www.amazon.com/Wind-Birds-Curious-Naturalist/dp/1881527379
     
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  10. beachbreak

    beachbreak Well-Known Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    you can look it up,the first national seashore recreation area agreed to and given by the locals with the guarantee that access,driving and fishing would NEVER be restricted,so either give it back or leave them alone.
     
  11. andrewk529

    andrewk529 Well-Known Member

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    Well maybe we can just pave over the beach and put hotels up? Would that give the locals a better "recreational" experience? Check out the Endangered Species Act, Federal law usurps misguided local ordinances.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endangered_Species_Act
     
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  12. beachbreak

    beachbreak Well-Known Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    then volunteer to let the endangered species live on your crappy beach.
    the piping plover is not an endangered species,anyway.
     
  13. andrewk529

    andrewk529 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but there are other endangered species which reside or breed on the Outer Banks. The Plovers nest in a state park where I frequently surf; I am more than happy to let the species breed in peace. It is sad to see such a lack of respect of nature expressed by your ignorance.
     
  14. beachbreak

    beachbreak Well-Known Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    not misguided or local law.
    it was a written promise from conrad wirth,the national parks superintendent,in the local paper to the hatteras people,when they first established it in 1952.
    you don't know anything about hatteras,it's people, or the agreement.
    and there's no evidence that beach driving has anything to do with whatever your problem with these stupid birds is.
    go complain to england;they love to eat plover's eggs.
     
  15. andrewk529

    andrewk529 Well-Known Member

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    Quite the contrary, I have studied the sociological history of the Outer Banks, as well as the ecology extensively. It doesn't require too much cognitive skill to infer driving a vehicle over a birds nest will undoubtedly destroy the eggs. Again, I invite you to research the migratory bird species ecology, before you make any assertions regarding their lives.
     
  16. beachbreak

    beachbreak Well-Known Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    i and hatteras people love nature,which is why we love hatteras,it is beautiful,but this particular problem is with the likes of you,unknowing,accusatory and interfering in something that is not a problem,except for blind environmental groups.
    thoreau,emerson,nature,the woods,the ocean,the beach,i grew up on the love of it,so just listen-you are totally wrong on this one.audubon himself would be on our side.
     
  17. cresto4

    cresto4 Well-Known Member

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    did mikeb set up a new account as andrewk?:eek:
     
  18. andrewk529

    andrewk529 Well-Known Member

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    As a Biologist, I find it surprising individuals cannot associate vehicular traffic on the beach with environmental destruction.
     
  19. beachbreak

    beachbreak Well-Known Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    no one's ever run over any nests there,either.
    if you were a hatteras local or hatteras lover you'd know.
    start your own sanctuary on your beach,and let theirs be,since it blows all others away,anyway,beach driving and all
     
  20. andrewk529

    andrewk529 Well-Known Member

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    The situation is more complicated than nest destruction; behavior, and physiology are severely impacted by any perceived danger. Have you ever seen a plover egg? They are the size of a quarter and camouflaged.
     
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