Roy on Radio

Discussion in 'Global Surf Talk' started by Roy Stuart, Jan 27, 2014.

  1. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

    853
    Jul 6, 2013
    this is the part that Im into. the dogma is profile foil mostly I think. having rhode to death one of roys deigns already i know this shape is good and parallel profile works. Also the wood fish thread is of the same dogma.
     
  2. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

    752
    Nov 16, 2013
    Parallel profile boards have been around a very long time. And their proven abilities with them.

    Can you say Simmons?
     

  3. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

    853
    Jul 6, 2013
    was the original simmons really PP tho? I think it tapered a bit in the nose but im basing this off what ive seen HWS guys post pictures of. it does appear parallel profile a good bit id agree
     
  4. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

    752
    Nov 16, 2013
    Yes it was a parallel profile.
    All of Roy's boards taper both nose and tail so what board of his are you saying is of this design? And whats with all the rocker in his shapes? Take some of that out and you'd have a way smoother glide. Less squatting to make the sections.
     
  5. Tlokein

    Tlokein Well-Known Member

    Oct 12, 2012
    leetymike, rcarter, et al...Arguing with Roy is like invading Russia. Its just turns into a long, tedious, never ending grind until you forget why you even went there to begin with. And if you finally get to Moscow you say "that's it? that's WTF we came all this way for? that's the prize?" and then you turn around and start the long slow march home...no win situation.

    I mean, its not like arguing with PJB or Chuckles where there's some actual entertainment value.

    When you reach the Vistula, just turn around, go home and enjoy one of these. You'll be much happier in the end.

    oktoberfest-beer-girl.jpg
     
  6. cepriano

    cepriano Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2012
    pjb are u the new moderator??

    its like how the fbi tries to turn mafia people to informants to rat out their own buddies,internet style.the moderators are among us,and they are us,well not me but im sure some of us.i hope these moderators atleast get paid for their contributions
     
  7. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

    853
    Jul 6, 2013
    his boards are all parallel profile, at least the ones we have been talking about.. the rocker appears drastic but thats because its parallel profile. it creates a swoop in the deck that mimics the bottom curve. the rockers are almost identical to other long board rockers its just that the thickness distribution in a foiled profile might hide the appearance of certian rocker curves. so as far as the bottom of the board goes its pretty normal id say. The speed of this long board is unreal i might add.
     
  8. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Listen to this advice. ^^^
     
  9. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

    752
    Nov 16, 2013
    I'm not arguing. Just talking design.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OdGtuRLsx60/Tlw5thqh_dI/AAAAAAAAQj8/_6r_WBXZ3A4/s400/clyde+2010+097.JPG

    That image from Roy's own website shows some pretty extreme rocker. He can even see in front of him! That is not because its the same thickness from nose to tail.
    Pipe guns of the 60's and 70's which are pretty darn parallel profiled out, dont even have the appearance of rocker like these boards do, and those were made for the barrels of PIPE!!!
     
  10. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    I do a variety of rockers, the board you are looking at has 9 feet of extremely flat tail rocker, with accentuated nose rocker.

    My boards are certainly parallel profile, I don't think that the simmons boards are although they do tend in that direction.

    The most obvious parallel profile predecessor to my boards is the boogie board.

    Pipe boards from that era were not parallel profiled out by any means, but it shows that times have changed when people rewrite history to claim it.
     
  11. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    BS you don't understand how much rocker I'm using as Charles has pointed out.

    Lowering the stance is an unweighting move which reduces water drag, and also wind drag.
     
  12. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    In my opinion (and you know what they say about opinions) is that a board is a "success" when it delivers exactly what you were after when you designed and built it... meaning the right combination of shape and available materials. By that criteria, it was a very long time before I built a successful board. But you get better at it over time, and eventually the majority of boards you make are successful.
     
  13. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    Yep... But you don't see them on longboards.
     
  14. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Apart from boogie boards and alaias, no they haven't.

    I have had nearly 20 years of people saying that it shouldn't, and even can't be done, now suddenly team normal want to claim that they've been doing it all along, which is to be expected.

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  15. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

    752
    Nov 16, 2013
    I guess not...maybe for reasons. Eh, give me an old school noserider over any of roys boards any day.
     
  16. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Everything happens for a reason so yes.

    No doubt your wish has already been granted re. old school noserider?
     
  17. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

    752
    Nov 16, 2013
    And i was speaking of the parallel profiles on longboards.
    But id say from the simmons to the lis fish (and simillar fish models) the parallel profile thing has been done. Not to mention the original hollow redwood plank boards of the 30's, those were like 14ft small boats. Maybe not to the full extent that you are doing it, but that is what i believe has the reason behind as to why they arent being done.

    And yes i have my noserider. And it was hand made and glassed by a buddy and myself. So no cnc machines, it has mana.
     
  18. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

    853
    Jul 6, 2013
    My two go too long boards is my Roy olo and my 9 8 nose rider hull by takayama. My short board is my 9 2 hp lb and that's as small as I go lol ! Plus a laird sup in there but no need to talk about the sup(guilty as charged)

    I enjoy going back to my takayama since I busted my olo but the way the two are ridden and the intentions you need to make as surfing style are very different. I personally have been thoroughly enjoying my ride on the olo. Earliest entry possible and fly through otherwise close out over head beach breaks ..
     
  19. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

    752
    Nov 16, 2013
    And i want to know the rocker info! Thats why im asking about it. I checked your site and i didnt see them on the board descriptions. I just was stating it looks excessive. Especially for what its being used for. A flatter rocker would allow for more planing surface and more overall glide.
     
  20. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    I'll get back to you in the morning on it as am going out, but the board being discussed above has 9 feet of extremely flat rocker and that's all in the very long tail which does most of the work when riding.

    If we take the Dragon 13'9" as another example, it was recently compared by a surfermag forum member with the low rockered Phil Edwards Malibu blank and was found to be almost identical. At 13'9" it translates to 7 inches of rocker nose and tail. Extrapolation to longer lengths leads many people astray on this subject as they base their assessment on appearance.