Roy's Gun project: Old Faithful 9'5" pintail

Discussion in 'Surfboards and Surfboard Design' started by Roy Stuart, Dec 31, 2014.

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  1. Jan 3, 2015 #61
    yankee

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    Without a doubt. Marketing 101 a la the gnome.

    Leading one to conclude that the gnome is a student of the school of (warped) thought that says even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
     
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  3. Jan 3, 2015 #62
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    You go, gnome, you go grrl.
     
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  5. Jan 3, 2015 #63
    BassMon

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    Roy are there any videos out there of people riding your boards? Iv seen the YouTube channel with the guy in the orange suit and helmet (whether that's you or someone else). But besides those. You said this was for a big wave guy, any videos around of someone like that riding your boards?

    Like I said Iv seen the YouTube videos, no offense but not really a fan of the surfing. The boards look strange to me how the front 3rd almost never touches the water. With that being said the boards do seem to go pretty good. Every ride is a nice long ride which is cool even if I'm not a fan of the surfing. Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks. I can respect that. Just curious how the boards work in diffrent conditions/diffrent rider. Especially in big waves. I'm very intrested in how this boards rides considering it's for big waves.
     
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  6. Jan 4, 2015 #64
    yankee

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    ^ well said by the BassMon. gnome.....?

    BTW, is there any vid of the gnome plank that ended up as kindling for that NorCal beach bonfire last year? The waves were, what, head-high?
    When the self-proclaimed 'advanced technology' of the gnome turned into fuel for s'mores.
     
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  7. Jan 4, 2015 #65
    garbanzobean

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    So I just watched a vid on 3D glass fabric but there will be none on the gun that you are calling a 3D glass job? What again is your estimate on the weight of your gun? That is a lot of fabric, even if it is mashed down tight via vacum it is going to be pretty heavy is it not? Is your shaped blank PU or EPS? I am getting that you are maybe using the german "vac the resin into the gaps between the 1 pcf eps foam beads" like the hydroflex deal? And if you are going to surf west oz big waves on it won't that bright orange wettie be like an all you can eat neon road sign for a great whitey?
     
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  8. Jan 4, 2015 #66
    Roy Stuart

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    The board will be glassed entirely with 3d glass cloth.


    Around 20 pounds.

    There's no point in 'mashing the cloth dowm'... as you've seen 3d glass makes a sandwich sking with a gap between the top and bottom layers. Squashing it down would defeat the purpose.


    EPS


    I'm not using the German method known as '3D glassing' I'm using the 3D glass cloth shown in the parabeam video.

    Sharks are colour blind, and the board which we will be sending to WA is for a big wave rider there, it will be longer than the 9'5" shown here. We are considering a shark repellant colour scheme for the board.
     
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  9. Jan 4, 2015 #67
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  10. Jan 4, 2015 #68
    rcarter

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    If sharks are COLOR blind then why the hell would you make a shark repellant COLOR scheme for the board?
     
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  11. Jan 4, 2015 #69
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  12. Jan 4, 2015 #70
    garbanzobean

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    1 PCF EPS? I see now that the parabeam fabric is probably not compatible with compression lamination and you are just doing a wet lay up? So that fabric actually has atmosphere between the outer skin and the skin bonding to the foam core? Almost like an oriented fiber plastic foam then, interesting. Now I see why they suggest resin putty to seal the end of a panel per the video. 3mm thick, how hard to wrap around compound curves I wonder? That is thick enough to have to compensate the shaped blank for volume and thickness and other dimensions especially if the rails are wrapped in the tradional way. Those shark repellant color schemes are pretty snazzy from what I have seen. The black and white and the blue ocean camo? Those colors look good enough to pull chicks and it repels sharks, a win win in my book. But maybe not as good as bright orange, right?
     
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  13. Jan 4, 2015 #71
    Roy Stuart

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    Yes a wet lay up. We are using 2pcf EPS for this board, from US blanks, also 1.5pcf for the stringerless machine shapes.


    That's right, with rows of figure eight shaped pollars which act as spacer andsprings to absorb impact. Capillary action makes the resin rise up the pillars to wet them out. The fabric was invented by a velvet manufacturer who was looking for a new market due to low sales, it's the same weaving process used for ve;vey except that in the case of velvet the pillars are cut to separate the top and bottom layers, leaving a cut pile.

    The fabric can be bought with much higher spacing, up to an inch or more, we have 3mm overall with a 2mm space.


    The cloth joins can be butted with sealed ends, or lapped if the cloth is squeezed down flat in the lap area. It squeezes down to about half the thickness in the case of the three mm cloth. Squeezing it down can be done with a roller or squeegee.

    It's drapeable, but stiffer than regular cloth, kind of mat like... so I expect that we'll have to do a few more darts in the rail area. So far I've done only a test panel and it hugs a tight radius ok. There's a 50 metre roll on the wall I'm sure I'll know more when we've used it up.


    Yes, with the machine shapoed blanks we take 3mm off the shape for the cutting paths, hand shaping the same deal but estimated somewhat.

    lol yeah.
     
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  14. Jan 4, 2015 #72
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  15. Jan 4, 2015 #73
    Roy Stuart

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    Big wave R&D :cool:
     
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  16. Jan 4, 2015 #74
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    Okay so that was an article on if black and white are colors. What does that have to do with sharks? Are you suggesting a black and white color scheme to repel them? Every study I have ever read states sharks look for shinny things and color contrast (between black/white/grey). So I guess the safest color scheme would be a blue/grey that blends with the ocean.
     
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  17. Jan 4, 2015 #75
    Roy Stuart

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    http://www.sharkmitigation.com/products-using-sams-shark-deterrent-technology.html
     
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  18. Jan 4, 2015 #76
    BassMon

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    Cool video. But I asked if there was any videos of someone riding your boards (other than the orange suit guy, I'm going to assume that's you), specifically in big waves. So I'm guessing there aren't any out there.

    A simple "no there are not any" would of worked but that video was deffinitly a more entertaining response.

    How about this question, do you have any experience in big waves? Like the ones this board that your making is intended for?
     
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  19. Jan 4, 2015 #77
    Roy Stuart

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    Loads of experience at 18 to 20 feet (points, reefs and beaches) and quite a lot up to about 24 feet. Enough to know what's going on.

    There are a few videos around of the 13 foot 'Ghost' being ridden by others of average ability, not dialled and not in big waves.

    .
     
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  20. Jan 4, 2015 #78
    BassMon

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    That's awesome man. If you ever get any video post it up on here. That'd be really cool to see. Maybe ask this guy to send you some video of him riding the board once all is said and done.
     
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  21. Jan 4, 2015 #79
    yankee

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    You might want to ask the gnome for the video of his wooden plank disintegrating in NorCal waves not too long ago. Quite the apres surf beach bonfire.
     
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