Sandy Hook, NJ - "No water Entry"

try to see it from a different perspective other than your own meaning, the guards, the rangers and others with certain responsibilities that go beyond making sure you get to surf where you want to. Yes, it was small and not critical for you and me and many others - but what about the Joe Surfer-since-May with his NSP filled with false confidence. The reality is that if you count on the general public to use good judgement and make responsible decisions, then guess what, your going to regret that decision every single time. How are you supposed to discern the ability and skills on land? "Oh your from CALIFORNIA, well, thats different, why didn't you say so before? Step right this way sir."

SH attracts inland kooks like flys to **** - they, and the websites that hype up and encourage them and surf shops that sell them NSPs are to blame for the situation - not the rangers.

Zippy you just sound bitter because the place where you (and I both) grew up doesn't look the same 3 decades later. Have you kept up with the news about Sandy Hook? Because guess what, for the last 7 years its been a c__t hair away from being turned from a public area into a B&B and corporate events location.

 

Thanks Zippy, looks great, that must be why it was in Surfer/Surfing magazines so many times many years ago.

 

will never happen

 

Dave it's surprising you just don't get it! Banning surfing because of a few people who don't know any better is not the answer.
If things ran your way, surfing would be banned any time there was a waist high swell.
What you said about "Joe Surfer" happens everywhere on the surfing planet.
The answer is personal responsibility. It's also why taxpayers pay for lifeguards. If there are no lifeguards, well then your on your own.
Many of us have exercised personal responsibility daily for years, we shouldn't have to suffer for "Joe Surfer."

 

thats great that you at least pay lip service to personal responsibility, and you may even really be that way, I don't know b/c I don't know you. I'll tell you what I do know, and that is I certainly am not going to bet my career on it.

 

personal responsibility pure and simple. if Joe Surfer goes out and dies, it's Joe's fault. Big Brother shouldn't have a say in it.

 

I have to agree here, but I know it'll never be that way (especially in NJ). Nobody is allowed to learn their lesson anymore because the government, for lack of specificity, is always looking to babysit us. Whether they really have our best interest in mind or not, they need to be much more hands-off. When parents are faced with how to raise their children, are they better off smothering them with protection or letting them get sick, fall down, and have their feelings hurt once and a while? When I was young and learning to surf, I had some close calls like almost breaking my next and almost drowning more than I would have liked to. That taught me to be vigilant, intelligent, and respectful of the ocean. Obviously I risked death and/or paralysis, but I learned my lessons and moved on. The old cliche, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger applies all the time. We need more freedom to make mistakes and take responsibility for those failures. /rant

 

So Dave with all the videos on display here of all the places that had surfers surfing bigger waves, while Sandy Hook was closed, you still agree it should have been closed.
Shows how selfish you are, standing by a wrong decision, and ruining it for many, just to save your job.

 

"Shows how selfish you are, standing by a wrong decision, and ruining it for many, just to save your job"

isn't that typical of most in government???

 

Next time surf anyway, and have one of your buddie scoop you up on a waverunner so they cant arrest you.

 

Great video!!!

 

thats it in a nutshell - you take your chances and figure it out on your own is the best scenario but of course then you have to face reality. I didn't create the situation of 200 miles of coast accessible to 25 million people in the most densely populated state in the country, I just exist in it and deal with it best I can like everyone else.

SH is a different case than most other breaks in NJ, for reasons I already pointed out

and yeah, my job i.e. putting food on the table and taking care of my family, is more important to me than your desire to surf a certain place, if thats seen as selfish to you than yeah somehow I think I can manage to live with that

 

And in your defense, because I'm not here to take sides, you're just enforcing the rules - you didn't make them. My dad was a cop so I know how the middle men can get dumped on for doing their jobs. I just think people need to live and let live, but in NJ the goverment needs to make money on or control every aspect of "living".

 

Just to clarify things, nobody is blaming the Rangers, it's the policy they are enforcing we are complaining about.
Second, it's kind of discouraging to hear a surfer like you Dave agreeing with that policy. Sandy Hook is no different than other places in the country, or the world.
Trust me, no place has bigger waves in a more densely populated beach than in So. Cal., and they manage to do it, and they manage to do it without beach tags.
Your reasons are wearing out. You must face it, you live in a state with closed minded people in charge who refuse to look elsewhere for possible answers to their problems.
It's nothing personal Dave, I hope we agree we are having a discussion over two different ideas, not fighting each other.

 

quote - "SH is a different case than most other breaks in NJ, for reasons I already pointed out"

In this entire thread, i cant find a single explanation as to why SH, as opposed to all of the other spots in jerz, warranted being closed to surfing, while other heavier spots remained open.

 

Man, you guys have some issues to work out on the East Coast, eh?
Boy we sure pay out the azzz in taxes, but at least we can be trusted to surf waves at our own discretion.

Buds & big waves are frowned upon over there... too funny. Sorry, I mean "sad".

Man it must be tough to be a surfer on the east side. I'm sorry to read this guys.

It is pretty nice that the government is there to protect you from yourself. Nothing better than some nice governemental intrusion keeping you from harm.
Personally, I think that seat belt laws, helmet laws, drug laws, prostitution laws, and any and all "idiot proofing" laws that are out there on the books should be abolished. It is weakening our species as a whole. We are keeping stupid people alive and breading. If somebody wants to ride their bike with no helmet, no problem. If we have done 1000+ studies showing how wearing a seat belt increases your odds of walking away from an accident by a huge amount and you still don't want to wear one, why should the government have to tell you to wear one? Shoots, we use to just call that being ignorant or stupid. Now it's called illegal.

Ridicules. I will now step down off my soap box. Thank you for your time.

 

sure, hey no problem -- until they wipe out, get permanent brain damage to the point where they can't take care of themselves, and then become nothing but a burden to the hardworking taxpayer for the next 35 years

 

My point exactly. That person on the bike knew that it was a risk. That's who should be responsible. NOT the taxpayers. If I tell you the fire is hot and you jump in it, should we have to pay for your medical bills? If we tell you "hey, if you don't wear a helmet because if you crash you can die or be a veggie" how is that different?

I'm not attacking your job, I'm attacking governmental intrusion in our day to day life where we rely on the governement to tell us what is safe and what isn't to the point we depend on it.

Our species is getting dumber because of it.

 

why post about the hook? now you're going to draw a crowd.

nice job naming beach breaks

 

I completely agree!