Say Goodbye to Surfing in NJ

Discussion in 'Mid Atlantic' started by stinkbug, Apr 16, 2013.

  1. wombat

    wombat Well-Known Member

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    Apr 10, 2012
    hmmm - doesnt the current OCNJ plan stop at 14th?
     
  2. stinkbug

    stinkbug Well-Known Member

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    Dec 21, 2010
    Wondering how long have you been surfing for? If you know anything about the original replenishment project in the late 90s/early 2000s it completely destroyed surfing for 2-3 years in the spots it occurred at- it destroyed the bars and jetty breaks and it became big shorebreak. Luckily they did sections at a time though, so when Long Branch to Sea Bright was destroyed everyone went further south. When Asbury to Spring Lake was done everyone went further south or north. Now they are talking about one giant project at the same time from Sandy Hook to Barnegat, courtesy of the federal government.
    If you are plesantly surprised this winter, that's great. NJ is breaking better than it has in 15 years. Most NJ pros will say the same thing- spots are back that haven't worked in a long time. That's from a little thing called Sandy. That will be over once this project happens.
     

  3. mdahrouge

    mdahrouge Member

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    Sep 18, 2012
    We need to get off high horse. It took mother nature 6 hours to destroy what it took man decades to control. With the predicted hurricanes this season it will most likely be a spit in the ocean. Use the money for dunes and such. Just my two pennies.
     
  4. Special Whale Glue

    Special Whale Glue Well-Known Member

    Oct 8, 2011
    I love pissing into the wind because I get piss like all over myself. The best is when the piss sprays on my lips and face because it makes me feel smart like an engineer.
     
  5. shark-hunter

    shark-hunter Well-Known Member

    Apr 29, 2012
    Let the beach back in naturally and stop people from rebuilding homes on the ocean. Let them collect the insurance money and buy the lot from them and make it public preserved beach land My 2 cents.
     
  6. Special Whale Glue

    Special Whale Glue Well-Known Member

    Oct 8, 2011
    Exactly! Pretty f*cking simple. Nature wins every time so respect it's power, back off and back up! Anything other then adjusting our ocean front boundaries and compromising by getting the f*ck out of the way is futile.
     
  7. The-Green-Room

    The-Green-Room Member

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    Dec 21, 2011
    Nags Head did a beach renourishment two summers ago, It destroyed all the sand bars but the spots they started early in the summer had a wave by the end of the summer early fall. It made for a summer full of shorepound but the bars came back
     
  8. njsurfer42

    njsurfer42 Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2009
    yes, but in the early 90's, they just stopped...no tapering, nothing. one street had 100yds of beach, the next one had water under the boardwalk. it was very abrupt & i doubt that'll happen this time around.
     
  9. njsurfer42

    njsurfer42 Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2009
    for more than 20 years, bud.
    clearly the way they "engineer" the beaches up in monmouth is different than how they do it down here in cape may county.
    BUT...the simple truth of my statement is proven by yours...& i think you're exaggerating about the 2-3 years. all storms relocate sand, calm summer waves push it back in (if you survey the same beach in the winter & in the summer, the slope won't be the same...beaches are steeper in the winter & flatter in the summer). that's the way it works. i can understand being upset about beach replenishment b/c of the recurring outlandish expense or the fact that it destroys complex intertidal ecosystems..those are valid concerns. but b/c it "destroys" a beach break? it'll be back; it always comes back.
     
  10. live aloha

    live aloha Well-Known Member

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    Oct 4, 2009
    Coastal developments are the cause of beach erosion AND the case for "replenishment".

    I would encourage anyone who lives in MD to read about the current state of Assateague. It's shrinking, and the ultimate cause is the continued beach replenishment in Ocean City to the north. Sand dynamics is a VERY complex science. If we cannot get our politicians to agree on the simple things like evolution and a helio-centric solar system, how on Earth could we expect them to understand something far more sophisticated?

    I wish I had an answer to that question...
     
  11. Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    I've read quite a bit about Assateague's history and haven't run across any thoeory connecting OCMD beachfill to Assateagues erosion problems. Is that available?

    What I've been able to find indicates the main cause of the erosion problems on the north end of Assateague are the inlet jetties that block the natural flow of sand from north to south in that area. The HUGE amount of sand at the south end of Ocean City (that entire inlet parking lot is built on sand blocked by the north inlet jetty) and the even HUGER amount of sand in the ebb tidal shoals off the inlet is sand that would have been destined for Assateague had the inlet jetties not been built following the 1933 Hurricane. OCMD has only had beach nourishment since 1988. Assateague was experiencing erosion long before then.

    I do agree its a complex science...and the part about coastal development.
     
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  12. beachbreak

    beachbreak Well-Known Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    so,where is everyone's beloved, righteous surfrider? counting your money?
     
  13. goofy footer

    goofy footer Well-Known Member

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    Sep 23, 2010
  14. goofy footer

    goofy footer Well-Known Member

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    Sep 23, 2010
    I feel your pain, I asked myself the same question over a year ago. So this is my 2 cents, Surfrider as a National organization is really all we have to pursue our interests. The strength of any Chapter is the tireless dedication of those willing to volunteer their time. The task to influence is colossal to say the least to collaborate with Local/State/Congressional Rep's and Army Corp. too. Army Corp decisions are "science" based as we do have in our favor as I've found many recognized and accepted "science" that has been established creating more desirable Beach Replenishment projects while maintaining surf able beach contours and sand bars. The "key"is using their own science to support your campaign while at the same time raising the "Bar" to policy makers of economic benefits.
     
  15. aka pumpmaster

    aka pumpmaster Well-Known Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    ....or they moved away from surfing and into purely environmental activism.....
     
  16. beachbreak

    beachbreak Well-Known Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    they don't even pump sand here,but the sand pumped up north and down south comes and ruins our breaks.two summers ago there were swells that only broke on the beach.sandy fixed it like it was before pumping ever began,like the good old days.
     
  17. NJshredmachine

    NJshredmachine Well-Known Member

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    Jan 17, 2013
    still better than any surf down south.
     
  18. goofy footer

    goofy footer Well-Known Member

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    Sep 23, 2010

    That's true, I surveyed National Surfrider campaigns last year and majority of those were environmental and credited the very few surfing related campaigns might be a result of a more surfing presence in individual Chapters and Regions. So might it be safe to say the Surfing Communinty as abandoned their ranks for not contributing more to surfing issues that was mainstream when the Organization was founded, appears so. This remains a large challenge for National not only monetarily as well as membership retention to re-focus some form a marketing strategies by diligent approach to those issues we're facing now. While the environmental activism that has taken "root" has created an atmosphere of "work with what ya got" so if that's what's left in their ranks then really who's at fault. The bottom line, National and ourselves are contributory to this climate until surfing community wakes up, demands more from National and local Chapter and willing to share the burden of "activism" for Surfing. We're feeling the pain now so in order to make the pain more tolerable we're going have to be more evolved. Those on here who know me, we've have been dealing with our local Chapter with our own surfing issues and now we're seeing some day light @ the end of the tunnel. So maybe if it can happen here maybe you'll see success at your own surf break. Sorry, not trying to preach, just sharing some experiences for others to ponder and maybe some good for all of us can come out of it.
     
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  19. ragdolling

    ragdolling Well-Known Member

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    Jul 30, 2010
    Long Branch took way more than 2-3 years to come back. I'd say 8-10.