Seldom, lock up your guns before you read this!

Discussion in 'Non Surf Related' started by aka pumpmaster, Jun 27, 2014.

  1. Zeroevol

    Zeroevol Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2009
    This is a disgusting story! The little grin on the cop on the right doesn't help feelings of anger, either. Is he wearing old school Oakley Razors?
     

  2. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Man what a pair of smug, power hungry pieces of sh!t. See the sargent with the sunglasses smirking when the poor guy arrived? I commend the dog's owner for questioning their behavior while keeping his calm...and imo, that was calm. My dumb a$$ would probly have gotten myself killed(no, that's not internet tough-guy talk SH).

    This is happening all too often, and I don't think it's a function of the internet. Not gonna go look up stats, but these incidences seem to happening more frequently. Maybe 6 months back, another incident in Utah, police killed a service dog that had gotten out of it's yard, and get this, on the birthday of the kid who owned the dog.

    And a Weimaraner??? Yeah, I'm sure it was being super aggressive. I hope those cops die slow painful deaths, soon. Or at least do some time and deal with the general population, which won't happen, so hopefully death will.
     
  3. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Ya know, someone should start a registry that lists cops that have killed dogs, so once they retire they can get properly fu(ked up.
     
  4. aka pumpmaster

    aka pumpmaster Well-Known Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    or a secret vigilante group that takes care of them.
     
  5. Zeroevol

    Zeroevol Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2009
  6. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Exactly! There's no excuse for this.

    Oh yeah, guns are locked up btw, most of them at my parents' house.
     
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  7. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
  8. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    See, I am a dog lover through and through. The Baltimore story is a sick one, but having lived there for years, I would have to give them a pass before the clown in suburbia Utah. There are Pits all over Baltimore. Being Bred, fought, killed. Every dealer and thug in the city has one. Most tied up behind a row house, ALL TRAINED TO KILL. I mean, they have dog trainers all over the city. Bred and taught to kill ANY intruders. Cops. People. Whatever. It a dangerous place to be a dog, or a human really.

    And after hearing reports of a dog roaming through SE Baltimore, and Shar Pei's unfortunately can be confused with Pits. And when the cops, or ANYONE gets a call about a dog, roaming the streets of Baltimore and it just "Snipped" at the person who called it in. I mean, you guys know where this is headed.

    I don't think it's necessary to slit the dogs throat, but what are you supposed to do? Tackle it, hope it doesn't shred you, and just lay on the ground bear hugging it until animal control shows up 2 hours later?

    I think its a jacked up situation, but that call was made to police because a dog was out in the streets being aggressive with people.... Dogs are animals. I can't imagine a loose dog responding well to a cop or anyone telling it to stand down....

    It's unfortunate, but the DOG OWNER in the Baltimore Case should shut up. WTF is your dog doing, escaping your house, in east canton, right on the border of the ghetto, in city streets, with Boston street right next to you, cars everywhere, people everywhere. The dog owner should be heartbroken, but that dog would have been killed 10 different ways within an hour. Cause if you think the first drug dealer that dog would have encountered wouldn't have put a bullet in that dog, you are crazy... Yall know, even thugs are scared of dogs if it's not theirs....

    Anyway, the Utah one. BS. That cop should be killed. I mean, just hop over the fence or back your way out of the yard you freaking coward.

    But I guess, my point is this (And I am bringing this up at the first neighborhood meeting I will be attending next month, because it has happened a couple times since I moved to my new house).... PEOPLE NEED TO BE MORE RESPONSIBLE WITH THEIR PETS!

    First incident: I am at work. My wife is walking my Black Lab, Eddie. He is about 95 pounds, healthy, big lab. Nicest dude ever though. Wouldn't hurt a fly. So, she is also pushing my daughter in her pink wagon/car thing. Another dog is approaching them, my wife said it was a big, over 100lb dog. Well, it got super aggressive, and there was like a 12 year old walking the dog, a girl with her 7-8 year old brother. So, the dogs get excited to see each other, but the other dogs is growling and barking. The dog is too big for the girl to control. The girl gets thrown to the ground and now this random dog is charging at my wife, daughter and dog. My wife picks my daughter up, and the other dog is snipping at my lab and my wife said she started screaming. SOMEONE COME GET THIS DOG! Get your dog. Someone come get this dog!!! She was afraid that the dog would hurt Eddie, or her or my daughter. She felt bad for the kids. They finally calmed the dog down and took it home. They were probably all shook up....

    BUT BE A RESPONSIBLE PET OWNER. If there are 100 other dogs in the neighborhood, and you have an aggressive one, that will act that way when it encounters other pets. DONT LET YOUR 12 YEAR OLD WALK IT.

    Second Incident: I am walking Eddie, ALWAYS ON A LEASH. I take him down the block to this big empty field where he always handles his business. I notice this HUGE, Pit Bull mix, easily 125 pounds. Built like a brick Sh** house. As i get closer, I notice, this dog is off the leash, just standing under the street light. I am a good 50 yards away, then I notice the dog start growling in our direction and he stands up and slowly starts walking towards us. Its dark out, probably 9:30. I look around, see no owner. So I just slowly walk Eddie back in and tell him we will try again in 10 minutes. Come back out. Same deal. Aggressive looking dog, pacing back and forth, staring at us with no leash....

    And here is my problem with all this. I love dogs. But had that pit mix come our way and attacked my Lab, I would have gotten it down to the ground, and snapped it's neck. And that would have been TERRIBLE. I should never have to be put in a situation like that. But if my family, or my pet is put in jeopardy by another animal, said animal will be without breathe in moments. Beleeeedat....

    So I am just saying, dogs are still wild animals. Be repsonsible and make sure SOMEONE ELSE doesn't have to kill your pet. Cause if you have an aggresive pet, and it gets out of your yard and rolls up on my family. Im killing it. Straight up. With a rock, with a blade or with my bare hands. My leatherman may not have a big blade, but I would bury it deep into an animals wind pipe real quick if it came at my people or pets.

    Its unfortunate all around. But that is the big speech I plan on giving my neighborhood next week. "DON'T MAKE ME KILL YOUR DOG, YA BUNCH OF IDIOTS"
     
  9. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    The 2014 Baltimore Murder Map. Note: The red dots are gun related homicides. A 23 year old black male was actually shot and killed on the doorstep of the house I lived in in college.

    I would be more worried if I was a person, than a dog... Thought things were getting better up there.... Guess not. Life is cheap for dogs, cops and people.

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  10. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    I agree with responsible pet ownership Zach. I've had my current pup for 6 years now, first that I've ever been totally responsible for, and I can't tell ya how surprised I still am by how many irresponsible owners are out there.

    But dude, slitting it's throat??? I mean, if it was that aggressive, putting you hand and arm right near it's mouth is pure idiocy. And the guy is quoted as saying "I'm gonna gut this f**king thing"...putting all that aside, all cops have pepper spray, most have tasers, so there are non-lethal options...and if lethal force was really deemed necessary(I realize at times that it is), put it down quick with a shot to the head. But the nature of dog encounters alone tell me that if you can actually deploy a knife, hold it's head, and make that cut, doesn't seem like it's a dire situation. And in this case, they already had the dog contained with one of those pole leashes.

    Now, in my own experience, I've had appx. 12 coyote encounters with my dog. Saw a wolf out west at about 30 yds away. The only animal that has ever attacked/charged us were domestic dogs, so I agree with you on the threat they can pose. First time was a rottie, charged across the street after me and Phin. Quick low round kick to the head sent him home with his tail b/t his legs, literally(I did NOT want to strike it but I had no choice)...had another encounter this Monday night actually, a dog we see on the reg got out of his yard and charged us but was super sneaky about it and snuck up on us from the the opposite side of parked cars. Verbal commands weren't working, so I thought it was go time again, and as he got in striking distance I started to wind up and that gesture alone sent him home. My point is that these guys that shoot dogs have no testicular fortitude, and probably no self defense skills(very few cops do, and lifting doesn't count), and must be lacking confidence. Because through my experience proper energy projection and a little balls can often dissolve the situation.
     
  11. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Yeah, I am with you there. Especially since they had the pole leash. I am not agreeing with it, and the cop is no doubt a pus$y. I am just saying, on that beat, for those cops, they see all kinds of sh**. They probably have an entire section of the Baltimore PD training on how to kill a domestic dog. It literally happens EVERY day over there. And the knife thing is STUPID.

    But using a knife on the pooch was just a lazy way of ending the situation and not having any paper work to deal with. Well, now the guy does, but I am sure his original thinking was not to discharge his firearm in city limits, on duty, because they he would have had to justify all of his actions.

    Don't get me wrong, dude is a punk. I guess the following comment would be better suited for the other thread with MIS about cops in general, but Cops are supposed to protect and serve, to an extent. Baltimore City has an animal control unit. They should have been on the scene. When those cops call it in, and they get a response, uhh, the city is poor, animal control is busy, then it becomes the cops "duty" to take this animal off the streets and make sure no citizens are injured. So the unfortunate truth about a LOT of situations like this, are that the dogs end up dead. Furthermore, when animal control DOES respond, I would bet you they end up killing every one of those pitbulls once they take them off the streets.

    The SPCA in baltimore county will NOT accept any animal with pit in it at all. I actually adopted a dog in college when I lived downtown there. My girlfriend and I went to the SPCA in the city and looked at all the dogs. The one that fell in love with us, was a brindle, Pit/retriever mix. It was 100% obvious that this was a pit. Same pit face and coat, but had a slimmer, more lab like nose. I kept asking the girl that worked there why it is labeled "Terrior Mix" when it obviously wasnt. I asked her why she kept telling me it isn't a pit, when I know it is. She whispered, we are not allowed to accept any pit mixes or pits. And we also can't advertise that we have any, because drug dealers and gang members solicit us for them... Bla blah...

    So all those dogs, taken from the streets end up killed anyway. It just sucks when people witness a cop doing it with his bare hands... The end result is the same, the guy just didn't have to be a vagina about it.

    I wouldn't have responded that way, but for guys that get shot at every day and deal with the worst criminals in the world, I ain't mad at them if they "shoot" a dog during a drug raid or if there is one roaming the streets and comes at them... Thats life. And none of those guys, on a day to day are going to try and be peaceful with a dog if the dog is aggressive. Click, Click, Bang Bang....

    They shoot humans on a daily, so why not dogs?

    That particular area and example just hit close to home, so I feel a certain way about that town and its problems with dogs...

    Its a sick f**ing place.

    There was an open air drug market next to my old house. A chinese bodega, bullet proof glass, filled with thugs. I would go in there to get Phillies or whatever. A beer. I knew all the hustlers in there. EVERY TIME i would walk my dog, these retards would start talking to me... YO, SON.... YO. YO. YO. You need to let me take your boy here over to the west side. We can train him. He looks strong YO. I am like, get the fu** outta here you fu**ing morons. It's not even a pure bred pit.

    Cops have to lay down animals in that city EVERY SINGLE DAY. And 9 outta 10 times, it HUMANS faults. Its cause a crack house has a pit bull inside for protection. BAM, SHOT. They are raiding a house and they have one loose in the back yard. BAM, SHOT. They get a call about a dog loose in a neighborhood, acting "Agressive". Bam, shot....

    I just blame the owners 10 outta 10 times.
     
  12. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    And the unfortunate reason they end up shooting the dogs in all these situations, is because the end result is them having to kill them anyway. It saves a few thousand dollars just doing it that way. It's probably in the damn hand book. Aggressive dogs during drugs raids are to be shot and killed. Period. Not to Taze them. Not to restrain them. TO KILL THEM. Because the consensus is, once a dog is trained to kill and be aggressive, there is no turning back. See the Mike Vick Saga. Its sad, but true.

    AND ITS ALL PEOPLES FAULTS. Not the poor dogs.
     
  13. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    I hear ya man. People(cops, criminals, all involved) in the inner city are desensitized to violence...I had two students shot and killed in my brief teaching stint, others hit by stray bullets...so I see the point if they can do this to people why not dogs...and those dog fighting scumbags are the worst.

    Yeah man Vick should be crucified, I don't care how long ago that was.

    Hey at least we can talk about it now without me being called a psychpathic human hating dog lover, that used to hurt my feelings:)
     
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  14. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Yeah, the dog fighters should all be held in captivity and forced to fight to the death, and when there is only one left, just shoot his as$. Congratulations, you are the big winner. BLAKA.
     
  15. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
  16. Zeroevol

    Zeroevol Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2009
    I gotta say, I don't have the balls to train a dog to kill and then sit there and watch two of them fight until the other is pretty much dead or dead.
     
  17. Slashdog

    Slashdog Well-Known Member

    May 22, 2012
    More proof that police officers need more tools and better training.

    Innocent dogs, and let's not forget, humans, are regularly murdered by police officers who are trained to shoot to kill. Tazers are far from perfect, but should be standard, as should non-lethal firearm training (from better marksmanship to non-lethal rounds).

    I'd imagine the offending officer is one of those people who sees dogs with a compassion usually reserved for insects. That or a scared little rookie overreacting. Or maybe he was Chinese...

    EDIT: Don't forget about Micheal Vick, coming soon to a classy NFL team near you.
     
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  18. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Seldom: See, I know you will appreciate this story. This is about a GOOD Baltimore Cop, that does what you probably would have...

    http://modifiedk9.blogspot.com/2012/05/police-respond-to-vicious-dog-in.html

    But notice when he mentions the Protocol. He says, we can't let them come pick this one up, because they will have to put it down... He admits the protocol right there. Aggressive dog, picked up for any reason in the city is "removed" from the scene and then euthanized. Every time.