shattered dreams

Discussion in 'Mid Atlantic' started by capetownsurfer, May 12, 2008.

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  1. capetownsurfer

    capetownsurfer Member

    Sep 6, 2007
    Dear swellinfo,

    Why would you post 1-3 feet overhead and clean for moday if you have no ideal of whats gonna happen? I love this site but, You have really been off on your preditions lately. Magicseaweed predicted this swell better than you did, magicf'**kinseaweed and their all the way in England or something. All night I dreamed of all the barrels I was gonna pull into today, just to wake up to a 25mph E wind.

    From now on you should just have a negative outlook on everything, when it comes to predicting these wind swells, where anything can happen. Don't put clean conditions until the wind is actually blowing west. I'm Sure theres a lot of other pissed off surfers that got up a 5am this morning just to be disappointed. thanks Swellinfo
  2. wavehunter

    wavehunter Well-Known Member

    Dec 18, 2007
    I got up at 5 but can barely say that I'm pissed. Obviously you have no idea how many variables there are when trying to predict the wind in the delmarva area, especially during a big storm like this. The website is a guideline and you should use it as such. Also, you can use other tools such as which will give you the exact wind direction and speed up to the minute so you don't get "pissed". They have electronic wind monitors in almost every city in the US.

    Now, zip up your neoprene and go have fun in some big sloppy surf. It'll surely clean up some day at some point this week, but when will it be? Keep your eye on the wind and hopefully you'll get a taste of those big barrels you were dreaming about.

  3. Db2k5

    Db2k5 Well-Known Member

    Feb 17, 2007
    Dude, it's wind, get over it. How can you predict wind, and be perfect every time? In a system like this, you can't predict the future. It doesn't matter how advanced your forecasting system can be, get over it dude. Look for a clean-up mid week. As far as size goes, it is 8 feet easy. Buoy 44009 is at 19 feet dude. You should have known better, than to get your hopes up as high as they were.
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  4. Aguaholic

    Aguaholic Well-Known Member

    Oct 26, 2007
    hopefully you guys might get a window this morning. But as for me i knew it was gonna be like this in NJ. My town looks like a tornado hit it. Washing machine blow out. Still tempted to charge it after work...but, realistically thinking I doubt that's gonna happpen.
  5. Swellinfo

    Swellinfo Administrator

    May 19, 2006

    Sorry you are dissapointed, but hopefully you can learn a little more about forecasting. Buoy 44009 at 19ft, 9sec. thats large.

    If you had done some searching on other weather web sites last night, you would have noticed that at one point,, nws, and accuweather were all calling for westerly winds in the delmarva region for the mornnig. So Swellinfo's wind forecasts were on point with every other source. So, to be dissapointed at Swellinfo is to be dissapointed at the national weather service,, accuweather, etc. etc.

    As stated in previous threads the low moved right over top of us. Early predictions had the center of the low pressure slightly to the east, which would have allowed for a period of westerly winds to wrap around the low pressure. Swellinfo uses the latest model guidance to produce forecasts twice per day. As you can see in the update this morning, the forecast is calling for onshore, poor conditions. A lot can change in between the 12 hours the forecasts are updated. At some point we may have the wind forecasts being updated 4 times per day. but that wont happen tomorrow. In any case, having a forecast update in the middle of the night will only reach so many anyway.

    If you look to the south, the Eastern Shore of VA, has offshore winds, VB has offshore winds, Hatty has offshore winds. The low pressure just veared slightly from what model guidance had suggested.

    Swellinfo could be like some other sites, where you write a long paragraph describing the uncertainties of the forecast and model guidance, but thats not how swellinfo works. This system allows for many more advantages than disadvantages.

    FYI - We are looking at upgrading our wind forecasting system. But, this is for more improvement in the land/sea breeze effects, which is the most difficult variable to forecast.

    Thanks for the post, I do understand people can get frustrated. But I hope to instill a little knowledge as well, so you can understand the forecasts you read on this site and others. Magicseaweed uses close to the same data as input as Swellinfo, but is not nearly as sophisticated at Swellinfo in breaking apart the individual swell fields and determining surf face heights from open ocean states. And magic seaweed is also very much less sophisticated in the wind forecast. Regardless, if you had checked their site last night near 6, you should have also noticed their site forecasting offshore winds (as did the others) at that time...
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  6. Cwhite

    Cwhite Well-Known Member

    May 19, 2006
    capetownsurfer, feel fortunate there is a FREE wavecasting site to complain about. What do you do if the internet is down or the power is out, not surf because someone didn't tell you it was good or bad. We all are responsible for our own water time & it requires actually getting to the break, checking the conditions & getting in the water.

    I use Micah's info whenever I get a chance, but I also rely heavily on my NOAA weather radio to keep up to date while driving, home, etc. I have used a NOAA weather radio for over 20 years & it's still one of my most trusted forecast tools & for current conditions.
  7. Pirate

    Pirate Active Member

    May 27, 2007
    Fact of the matter is that the cold front blew out so quickly over the Carolinas that it helped stall the low pressure area. Yesterday afternoon it seemed that the low was moving steadily northward up the Chesapeake but it reached only so far north, like many Nor'Easters do, and stalled. Now it's going to sit where it is for a few more hours before it's own rotation begins to help move it easterly and out to sea south of long island.

    As a result the westerly winds were held further south and the more northerly and easterly winds persisted further south.

    Nothing you can do about it. Mid-Atlantic nor'easters are tough to predict when they will make their turn. This one is no different. Areas near where the storms are predicted to change course are very tough to pinpoint exact wind direction changes because a few miles makes a huge difference in temperature and wind direction with these systems.

    Your wind shift is currently positioned at the NC/VA border. In 20 miles distance heading north you go from west, to north west, to north, to north east in wind direction. That shift line was predicted to be about 200 miles north.

    Storm stalled, shift line remained south and will do so for probably the remainder of the morning and into mid afternoon until the low starts peeling off eastward.

    Surface Wind Streams
  8. Db2k5

    Db2k5 Well-Known Member

    Feb 17, 2007
    Get a clue, kid. You are an idiot, you don't know what your talking about. If you really think swellinfo is that bad, and you hate bodyboarders that much, you could always check out surflines call and be really disappointed.....


    Hey, this is Dennis with the report for Monday morning at 7:10 AM. SURF:
    3-4 ft. - waist to shoulder high with occasional 5 ft. and poor+ conditions.

    AM Report:

    semi-clean and textured conditions early. looking a little drifty, some plus peaks in the shoulder to head high range.
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  9. Swellinfo

    Swellinfo Administrator

    May 19, 2006
    Ya, u got it right.

    system stalled a little to the south and west. Allowed for more fetch in the VB/outer banks region and the lack of offshore shift to the north.

  10. Joel

    Joel Well-Known Member

    May 19, 2006
    That's not even constructive criticism just uncalled for negativity. I think you should be grateful that Micah has put tons of incredible wave resources together to run this site and it's FREE!!! And lastly, you're last comment to Chuck, why do you have to start the surfers vs. bodyboarders fight. Pointless...

  11. Zippy

    Zippy Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    This is a great site and you are a dope.
  12. BonerSurfs

    BonerSurfs Well-Known Member

    Apr 14, 2007
    ya.. im gonna have to agree with capetown here in that the predictions have been a little off lately. But trying to predict these may storms is such a crapshoot, so its like what u gonna do ya know. Its all about having a ton of recources, like here, surfline, wetsand, and NAOOA charts. Another thing i have learned about this site, is that say u check the site on wendsday, and it says that saturday is gonna be sick, u can pretty much gaurentee that sat is not gonna be sick, you can really put your money on those long range forcasts to change. Ill tell u what though, this is the site, it blows all others out of the water literally, and i thank u swell info for not charging for ur awsome services,, i mean your **** is more legit than my surfline membership
  13. bmore surf

    bmore surf Well-Known Member

    May 20, 2006
    I think this site is the best. Sure its shakey but so is the weather. People love to complain about a free site letting them decide if the waves are good...I love it, you made my day on this wet day. I think that is all it is a rainy day and they are not use to the Delmarva way of things, my advice "Get use to it."

    One wise man said "If you could predict the weather you could rule the world."
  14. xgen70

    xgen70 Well-Known Member

    May 25, 2006
    It is not like he was going to paddle out into that storm surf anyway, so....what is the complaint about? He implied that he checked only on SwellInfo,.........well nothing is perfect.

    You did not check anything before you got in your car? And made the drive? All I can say is,. Please do not surf around me if you are that dumb.
  15. rDJ

    rDJ Well-Known Member

    Jul 23, 2007

    Did you pay for that forcast? No? Was it free? Oh, well then, shut the [email protected] up. Go pay for surfline if you wanna b!tch cause their forcasts really suck.
  16. Cwhite

    Cwhite Well-Known Member

    May 19, 2006
    Joel, I didn't see the comment & don't really care. If his sorry sack is going to rely on just someone else's knowledge about waves he might as well let me & everyone else ride the waves he doesn't know exist. Stay @ Naval Jetty or Northside where you feel you might be a good surfer.
  17. Chris Joyner

    Chris Joyner Moderator

    May 23, 2006
    Glad you missed it. May have been the first time I REALLY saw you get fired up. Here is to hoping Wednesday pans out. As you can guess, the no call this morning meant I used many sites to see today was a wash. :)
  18. kelly slater

    kelly slater Well-Known Member

    Apr 27, 2008
    thanks for nothing

    yeah swellinfo... thanks for making us pay for forecasting information....o wait.....

    i think somewhere in capetowns ravings was the point that it might be better to down play a bit some of the very hard to predict swells with so many depending factors. maybe thats what he was trying to get at....

    but seriously i think you should lower your prices.... i was talking to dane, mike h and jordy this morning and they also agree

  19. tyrone

    tyrone Well-Known Member

    Jan 15, 2008
    Everyone here keeps talking about how surfline makes you pay. However you actually don't have to.. unless you want their extended forecast which, compared to their terrible regular report, must really blow!
  20. spongeoc

    spongeoc Well-Known Member

    Sep 28, 2007
    i have an idea if you want surf repots for free 100%accurite just wake up at 5 am every morning and look at it yourself
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