Someone needs to slap SIMA!!

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  1. Dec 19, 2014 #1
    grainofsand

    grainofsand Well-Known Member

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    Jun 26, 2014
    Surf Expo drops in on Orlando, Jan 8-10 2015. I'm all about free market, making a living and taking pride in your craft but:
    Channel Islands:
    $714.00
    CI Surftech
    $749.00
    Cristensen
    $884.95 - $914.95
    and don't Forget Firewires
    $745.00
    I think that $400-$525 is a fair price for off-the-rack poly/4oz regardless of the shaper. We shouldn't have to work 2 jobs to buy a board that we won't have time to ride because we're working 2 jobs. The sticker shock does produce a lot of backyard shapers, but unfortunately they want you to pay the $400-$525 for what may or may not ride well.
    Whether or not you believe that SIMA helps drive cost, please slap them anyway. -Thanks
     
    grainofsand, Dec 19, 2014
    grainofsand, Dec 19, 2014
  3. Dec 19, 2014 #2
    worsey

    worsey Well-Known Member

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    what is a christensen...
    and why more jing for one?
     
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  5. Dec 19, 2014 #3
    sbx

    sbx Well-Known Member

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    How many jobs do you want your shaper to work?
     
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  6. Dec 19, 2014 #4
    Exit98

    Exit98 Well-Known Member

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    sbx: 1 grainofsand: 0
     
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  7. Dec 19, 2014 #5
    ihatelongboarders

    ihatelongboarders Well-Known Member

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    Dec 13, 2007
    start body surfing. hand planes are way more affordable.
     
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  8. Dec 19, 2014 #6
    bubs

    bubs Well-Known Member

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    Can you tell me what SIMA is?
     
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  9. Dec 19, 2014 #7
    grainofsand

    grainofsand Well-Known Member

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    Jun 26, 2014
    1 job 20 boards a week 15 if he shapes, glasses and sands. The big boys have Cad and fine tune, then their teams go to work.
    grain ^infinity
     
    grainofsand, Dec 19, 2014
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  10. Dec 19, 2014 #8
    sailquik

    sailquik Well-Known Member

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    It's ridiculous that **** Brewer's name gets censored by the profanity filter!
     
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  11. Dec 19, 2014 #9
    sailquik

    sailquik Well-Known Member

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    Surf Industry Manufacturers Ass
     
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  12. Dec 19, 2014 #10
    grainofsand

    grainofsand Well-Known Member

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    Jun 26, 2014
    Don't get me wrong, I want these guys to get paid. I have much respect for the surfer/shaper bond. The truth is that the average median income has actually fallen around 8% from 1995 to 2014, but shapes have gone up 40%? So, let's take the $500 pricetag say the shop bought 20 boards from the shaper, not a consignment deal, straight up, cost is $400. That's $8k. If the guy has a few accounts and can still take orders out the back door, minus cost of materials, they're still killing it.
    I wanted to include the latest census data here FYI
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    http://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2014/demo/p60-249.pdf
     
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  13. Dec 19, 2014 #11
    bubs

    bubs Well-Known Member

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    ty
     
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  14. Dec 19, 2014 #12
    bubs

    bubs Well-Known Member

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    Guys, I agree but here is the truth.



    The price of everything is going up and well the money going around is going down.



    Which = Snafu.
     
    bubs, Dec 19, 2014
    bubs, Dec 19, 2014
  15. Dec 19, 2014 #13
    sbx

    sbx Well-Known Member

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    Mar 21, 2010
    I think you are comparing inflation adjusted income to non-inflation adjusted surfboard prices.
     
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  16. Dec 19, 2014 #14
    Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

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    Jan 5, 2009
    Seriously? At $450 sales price (you said off the rack so you mean selling through a shop, meaning the board builder would get paid around $350 at most) you're basically saying you think that a craftsman working with hazardous materials should be earning about $10 an hour for their efforts. Hate on Firewires or CI if you want, but know that the local guy cannot earn a decent living at selling boards to shops for $350 bucks or anywhere close to it.
     
    Mitchell, Dec 19, 2014
    Mitchell, Dec 19, 2014
  17. Dec 19, 2014 #15
    grainofsand

    grainofsand Well-Known Member

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    I know that ya'll get paid more north of the Mason-Dixon, but getting paid even $350/day is pretty good
     
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  18. Dec 19, 2014 #16
    SI_Admin

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    If you want the price to go down, then you have to be for the overseas factory mass produced boards... They have to refine that automated process and need cost of materials to go down.
     
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  19. Dec 19, 2014 #17
    sbx

    sbx Well-Known Member

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    Mar 21, 2010
    -rent
    -tools
    -health insurance

    etc.
     
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  20. Dec 19, 2014 #18
    JawnDoeski

    JawnDoeski Well-Known Member

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    Aug 11, 2014
    I'd agree that local shapers don't make a great living from their craft but most have figured out a way to make it work cause they love doing it....but a blank is not $100
     
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  21. Dec 19, 2014 #19
    Zeroevol

    Zeroevol Well-Known Member

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    OR, go on CL and with a couple heal dents, you can pay $300 to $400 less! plus, most come with a stomp pad. WOOT WOOT
     
    Zeroevol, Dec 19, 2014
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  22. Dec 19, 2014 #20
    grainofsand

    grainofsand Well-Known Member

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    Jun 26, 2014
    I understand what you guys are saying, I do, I don't think that the answer lies in outsourcing (kinda hard to visit your shaper in Thailand). First and foremost, I'm not an economist. I will say that shaping IS an artform. Artist can be really subjective about their art, and thus can assign an arbitrary amount on their work. I know several shapers here on the East Coast that can shape that many per day.
    Jesse Fernandez
    Rich Price
    Matt Kechle
    Greg Giesleman
    Lynn Shell
    @Gaff, thanks for the insight, sick that your f-i-l crafts!
     
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