Step up for winter and bigger swell

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by EmassSpicoli, Oct 21, 2014.

  1. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Yous guys all know bouts Spicoli's excessive quiver. It's mostly 5'8 to 6' grovelers and HPs. Plenty of repetition in the quiver and I really only ride 3-4 of them tops. I've got the 7'7 Stretch IT for messing around in smaller crap, but that doesn't help me in the heavier winter swell or simply OH+. I've had no problem in OH+ with my 5'10 thruster but that's May to October. Can't say I'll be pleased with it for harder paddles and when I'm all rubbered up in a 5/4.

    Sooooo...should I go for a 6'3 or 6'4 or should I go 6'8 and above? I really don't get stoked after a certain volume and length due to lack of responsiveness. I'm looking to wapahhhh on the bigger stick just as I aspire to on the shorter SBs I frequently ride - just want to be able to do so in gnar.

    I'll be in SoCal this week and therefore will have hordes of boards on the cheap at my fingertips on CL that I can fly back with. What do you cats think? For width on my sub-6 fotters, I've been riding 19.5-20.5 and 2 3/8-2 9/16. Keep those fairly consistent with increasing length or should I stay below 20" wide?

    I'm also thinking thruster for sure. Other considerations? Rocker? Rails? Open to all input and thanks for taking the time bros. Figuring now is the time to pick a cheap stick up since that NE wind is starting to howl back in NE and temps are a dropping.

    FYI, I am 5'11 and 178-188 depending on the week. What do you think is too big for a step up for me based on all the above?

    Also, planning on a rounded pin or such for the tail. Hold will be key for the waves I'll seek to ride this board in and I'll find all the release I will want/need/be able to handle from my strength and power rather than a looser board I can't control well.
     
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2014
  2. BassMon

    BassMon Well-Known Member

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    May 8, 2013
    I wouldn't go bigger than 6'8. 6'3-6'6 I think you'd be happy with. A little extra foam is a good thing especially in winter so as far as width I'd stay on the high side of your range. 20-21. Rounded pin sounds good. Actually this sounds allot like the board I just described in the confused and humbled tread. Read the last couple posts on that tread about fuller boards with lower rocker. Something to consider
     

  3. Ryan McCall

    Ryan McCall Well-Known Member

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    Aug 10, 2014
    I never felt the need for anything bigger than my 6'1". I blew the one of the fin boxes out surfing near the dock during the freak low that we got a few months ago. I now am down to a 5'8" groveler that has been surprising me in the bigger stuff the past few years.

    The dims on the "step up" I used to ride was 6'1'x 18 3/8 x 2 1/4 round tail dhd d2 concave. I am 5'11 182
     
  4. all4blues

    all4blues Well-Known Member

    260
    Dec 14, 2013
    Keep in mind the longer you go the more foam thats added to the board overall. You dont really want a wide board in typical OH+ stuff, 19 should be plenty fine for anything up to 6'6 or so which is all you would ever need here. 2 1/2 is about right for thickness for extra wetsuit float and paddle. Low entry rocker, pulled in tail as you mentioned, go for a 5 fin setup so you have options, sometimes that quad is crucial. I'd get a heavier glass job as its not going to be an air launching potato chip. So watch out for some of the cali boards, they usually glass light and you dont want 4 4 glass on a winter board as it will probably be taking a beating.
     
  5. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    6'4 Bro. 6'4 is plenty. That will get you into anything you will see this week. These conditions are "decent" there, but not even real step up conditions. When you are tackling something in the 15' range, you may as well just get a 7'2 or something and bypass anything in the high 6's, but I never went bigger than a 6'4 unless it was dust off the mini gun that comes out twice a year kind sh**, and I call it a mini gun cause it was a 7'2 from HI. Just a pin-tail speed gun.
     
  6. mrcoop

    mrcoop Well-Known Member

    605
    Jun 22, 2010
    WOW...man, not much volume for a 18o lb dude...
     
  7. kidrock

    kidrock Well-Known Member

    Aug 1, 2010
    6'4' pintail, quad if you can find one. If you can find a shape by Rich "Toby" Pavel, do yourself a huge favor and spend the extra cash to grab it. You'll thank me later. If you want to know more about Pavel (shapes for "Choice" and "Rainbow" labels), stop by his shop by the OB Pier. Research "Speed Dialer".
     
  8. live4truth

    live4truth Well-Known Member

    866
    Feb 9, 2007
    ...Lost Mini-driver...probably in the 6' range or so... The type of step-ups of the past are unnecessary with the acceptance of additional width, foil thickness, etc.
     
  9. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    You buoys are great! Thanks so much and keep it coming
     
  10. njsurfer42

    njsurfer42 Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2009
    bingo. w/ the way shapers are redistributing foam & volume in modern shapes, unless you're surfing someplace in the 12-15ft range (& most average surfers aren't), you don't need a classic-style step-up/mini gun w/ a lot of rocker anymore. i used to keep a 6'8" in my quiver as a step-up b/c my "standard" hpsb was 6'4". that 6'4" is now my step-up & i'm riding sub-6ft boards as my daily drivers.

    emass, it sounds like you just want your daily driver w/ a bit more foam for paddle power. i'd say take your board, bump it up 2-3 liters, add an inch or 2, put a rounded pintail on it, & you'll be set.
     
  11. Greenflasher

    Greenflasher Active Member

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    Apr 15, 2007
    Slayer, Stretch 2 x4, ...lost mini driver

    Rusty Slayer
    6'2"x 19.5 x 2.5
    32.8 liters
    Ideal Wave Size: Overhead to Double-overhead

    You dont need half a foot of extra length in your step up. 2-3 inchs longer than your daily driver is all you need plus a little bit extra volume if your wearing a 4/3 or 5mm.
     
  12. njsurfer42

    njsurfer42 Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2009
    that's ifallalot's chile bonzer. i'd be all over that, too. been thinking of adding one to my stable for the better part of a year, but i like my octafish too much.
     
  13. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    I think a 6'4" thruster round tail, 19.5 inches wide max. Maybe have the wide point north of center for easier drops on heavy days. 2.66" thick max. That should give you plenty of float in winter, even if it is fiberglass, not epoxy. You don't want a fat profile on macking waves. Put the volume under your stomach-chest, keep the front and back rails foiled and thin. Sharp down rails from the fins back. Some vee from fins back, but bottom contour is constantly evolving. Get some big boy fins to plug into it. And a thick leash.
     
  14. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    nj42, I like what you're saying, though you think that little adjustment in foam will make THAT much difference? I had my 5'10 out in the swells from Memorial Day through end of summer and I handled up to head and a half on it. I would like more to paddle with and more to plane into faster waves on because the "bigger" stuff I'd be riding a step up in would obviously be on a longer period wave that's traveling faster. I like what you're suggesting, just don't want to get yet another stick that's just like the rest. My buddy's 6'1 Dwart seems just like your suggestion and I'd love to see that work in bigger stuff.

    Gaff, that stick looks sic. Only hesitation on that would be not enough length, but you guys are suggesting length isn't everything these days. I do like the W x T on that one. Lots of great sticks on the classifieds. Stayed up halfway through the night looking through every board from Coronado to Honeyton! Have a few lines up to go see right when I get off this flight. Gotta get out in the liquid ASAP since that longer period is soon fleeting. Spots down your way look good on charts today.

    sidogg, what you're describing is just what I had in mind until dis tread.

    Buoys, how critical is the round tail or rounded pin here? Is a pulled in squash out of the question? For fin boxes, if I currently like thrusters in HH+ should I stick with that? I'm planning on large fins.
     
  15. Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    The shape of the wave matters a lot (i'm slowly coming to realize) in boards for bigger winter surf, and whether additional length is going to help you A LOT, or become a hindrance.

    If the waves have really quick, steep barrelling takeoffs, extra board length, and extra nose width may just get in your way and offer no real advantage.

    If the waves are more of like a big pointbreak or walled up feathering/mushy type entry, where you find yourself taking 8-10-12 strokes or more to get in, extra length is probably going to work out well.
     
  16. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Thanks mitch. I know exactly what you're saying because I have been on longer sticks in pitchy size. Used to have a 6'10 Bushman. Most waves I'll be in on this won't be PB's unless I hit ME/NH on the reg with bigger swells. Then again, that's a good plan.
     
  17. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    I had a 6'10 in jerz, never used it
    had a 6'8 used it 2x a year max
    6'6 got a lot of use on large overhead tubular days
     
  18. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    I personally like narrow swallowtails for step ups. A pin for a rhino chaser for DOH plus hollow waves. The swallowtail will handle big drops (10 - 15 foot faces) and won't spin out if you have the right fins, and is very maneuverable on the face for cutbacks and hacks. You can go vertical on a dime. It's a bit more touchy than a round tail, but that's what I grew up with and I like the bite in concave sections.
     
  19. worsey

    worsey Well-Known Member

    Oct 13, 2013
    my pick 6/6 unibrow by firewire.
    kinda sounds a little bit bigger than it actually is...
     
  20. rcarter

    rcarter Well-Known Member

    Jul 26, 2009
    I like round pin or thumb tails for smooth turns and like Sissurfdogg said a NARROW swallow is really cool. Must be narrow though not a big ole fish tail. As for length 6'1"-6'3" is fine. Then pick a board that will work well for the conditions you will use it in like others said (mushy, peaky, etc) and get 5 fin boxes as it will be way more options. If you do not get it to narrow and gun like then you could ride:

    Normal Thurster
    Normal Quad
    Twin
    Quad + Nubbster
    Twin + Nubbster
    Twin + nubbster side bites

    I choose mine with a diamond tial as my step up. It's 6'0" BTW.