Swell Numbering | Swell 1, Swell 2 etc..

Discussion in 'Global Surf Talk' started by powsimian, Jul 2, 2013.

  1. powsimian

    powsimian New Member

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    Jun 30, 2013
    Hi, I'm new to surfing, swellinfo and in general surf conditions monitoring. I'd like to know what the number of the swells means. I thought they would be in order but I realized the swells over lap and leap frog one another. Any info or guidance you have in regards to learning more about swells and studying the science behind waves will be appreciated.<br /><br />Thanks!
     
  2. Bill Cosby's nephew

    Bill Cosby's nephew Well-Known Member

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    Jun 21, 2013
    I know that in the nervous system, action potentials ("waves" of ions) undergo what is known as temporal summation, in which numerous small "waves" overlap, acquiescing into larger, more powerful waves. I'm assuming this is similar.
     

  3. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    powsimian, your description is fairly accurate. It's also the demise of many a good first swell. Happens all the time at my main beach break. Can't stand the second swell. Or third. Always shows up in the evening. As if shifting peaks and side chop aren't bad enough. Now we've got moguls too. Take short period and makes it ultra-short period.

    To the un-American second poster: Stop talking about APs and using words like you're Mike Tyson. You took a simple ocean wave dynamic question and steered it to neuroscience and quantum physics. Your assumption is wrong and for multiple swells to combine for one larger swell, they'd need to adjust their path to the same wind direction and similar speeds and for several hundred miles (close to 1k or more). Otherwise, the result is disorganized chop creating an active sea state. We don't want that and it can ruin a good first swell. If the first swell is significantly more powerful and longer period than another simultaneous swell, it won't have the same detrimental effects. We seldom see such power and long period of ground swell on the east coast.

    Ocean waves are wavelengths, yes. APs in synaptic excitation also have wavelengths, yes. Consider that the addition of bathymetry, topography, and meteorology to ocean wave dynamics makes your analogy to neurology akin to the neurology of a schizophrenic (i.e. disorganization of active sea state~disorganized neural firing, thoughts and speech).

    The SI forumites here have a conniption when I speak voodoo that is actually founded with scientific basis and empirical evidence. Don't dizzy them further with buzzwords from disciplines that couldn't be further from analogous to surfing. Stick to detaching your lips from your parents' nips and getting your very own big boy crib. Baby steps. No need to try and be the next Newton when you don't even do your own laundry.

    BTW...you know who we are honoring a day from now? You guessed it...those who've put their lives on the line so betas like you can freely spout off whatever Tysonian vocab and pseudo-scientific jargon you please. Celebrate by having a couple cold ones with your veteran officer father and laugh about his paraplegic comrades. Let us know how that goes over.
     
  4. bungalowparkbob

    bungalowparkbob Well-Known Member

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    Jan 21, 2013
  5. rcarter

    rcarter Well-Known Member

    Jul 26, 2009
    1st to the OP, the numbers are the different swells coming together. The primary swell may be a SW swell 4.5 ft @ 10 sec. Then there may be a small 1.2 ft E swell mixing with it and maybe another S @.9 ft too. So there are Swell 1, 2, 3. As to Emass why are you such a douce bag?
     
  6. Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    Exactly. With multiple swells, numbering the swells helps you keep track of which swell is building, fading, rotating to a different direction, which swell is a new swell filling in, and when a swell has faded to the point it is no longer significant, etc.
     
  7. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    I love a good combo swell when it's lined up right.
     
  8. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    Smaller, shorter period secondary swells are necessary to keep large, long period swells from just closing out on beach breaks and they can help spread out the lineup on points.

    When picking a day for offshore fishing it's best to avoid days when there are multiple swells from different directions. They don't necessarily make it rough but can be a real pain when you're running out, running in, trying to anchor on a precise spot and gawd help you if you have people prone to seasickness on board...
     
  9. Bill Cosby's nephew

    Bill Cosby's nephew Well-Known Member

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    Jun 21, 2013
    You realize you're the biggest joke on SI, right?
     
  10. Swellinfo

    Swellinfo Administrator

    May 19, 2006
    The integer values (1-6) are meaningless... #1 isn't more significant then #6, etc.
    Using statistical methods, the wave spectrum for a particular location is broken down into "swell groups", and that is what swell1, swell 2, etc are. It isn't a perfect system, but much of the time you can see the distinct swells.
     
  11. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Boston born, Boston bred, Boston til I'm dead.
     
  12. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Taken from Urban Dictionary:

    douce bag

    misspelling for douche bag commonly used by actual douchebags
    all over this page, these f***ing douche bags think that douche bag is spelled douce bag
     
  13. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Boston Strong???
     
  14. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Yes. Always.
     
  15. Bill Cosby's nephew

    Bill Cosby's nephew Well-Known Member

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    Jun 21, 2013
    My father was born in Hingham MA. My favorite place on the planet. I'd love to move there someday when I'm older and can afford a 1.5 million dollar ranch.
     
  16. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    If by ranch you mean one-story house on a fair-sized plot of land, then those are in Hingham. You won't soon see any cattle roping on those grounds.

    Hingham is not Masshole country. It's 98% white and 98% of those whites have never driven through the Dirty Dot, let alone got out of their cars in it.

    I'd peg the median income between 125-150k there right about now. Seems to fit you perfectly. Those kids never had to landscape or dig ditches in the hot sun during summers in high school or college. They all get trophies just for showing up, too.
     
  17. Bill Cosby's nephew

    Bill Cosby's nephew Well-Known Member

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    Jun 21, 2013
    Seems perfect. My great uncle also owns a significant portion of the land in Hingham and would be more than happy to give me a job in his company. He gets me Celtics playoff tickets whenever I want. Whether or not there will be any of those for the next couple years remains to be seen.
     
  18. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Just making sure. Big Pappi says, "This is our F'ing City", classic.....
     
  19. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Aren't you trying to "severe ties"? Your uncle's nips have the potential for soreness just as much as your parents'. How about taking the bevy of offerings you've been privileged to have and hitting the road to make the rest of the way on your own?
     
  20. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    The Celtics will be back in the playoffs once Danny Ainge is shown the door.