Thanks Obama

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by Braap, Apr 28, 2016.

  1. nynj

    nynj Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2012
    I thought you were 5-0?
     
  2. sigmund

    sigmund Well-Known Member

    Dec 7, 2015
    The ACA didn't address costs which is it's biggest failing, and it didn't address costs because lawmakers had a *lot* of pressure from entrenched interests (doctors, hospitals, insurance companies, blah, blah...) so they wouldn't have had enough votes. My wish, let's keep what's good about the ACA, and address drug and medical costs, you know, like every other free country in the world has been doing. Problem is here we have that congress thingy, and not much of note happens there these days.
     

  3. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    If you "address" pharma costs, i.e., cap their pricing policy as I am sure you want, then you no longer live in a country "like every other free country". Freedom lets the market determine cost, not artificial price controls. In addition, Russia has done this already, years ago. Please name me ONE famous Russian drug company that is bringing innovative medicines to advance disease control. Just one....just one....go ahead.. name it....
    Now name me 3 American pharmas....no, make it 5........go ahead.....
    I hope you don't get cancer with no treatment available, because in Russia, patients have NO HOPE, and NO products to help them, unless they stole them from other countries.
     
  4. Sandblasters

    Sandblasters Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2013
    I am a stupid idiot and ijust felt like being stupid and i felt like being stupid in a public place but not really, so i typed some rubbish on the chats here, Geeze I love this chat board cause its all about SURF salmon poachin with the firemen, who needs firemen at the beach? its not like there are any fires allowed on the beach. AND IF I SEE THAT STUPID BIOTCH WITH THE BIG RED SURF BOARD I AM GONNA SMACK HER ASS DOWN AND HOLD HER UNDER, STUPID NATURAL POLLEYKNEESIANS LAUGHING AT MY DUMB ASS ALL DAY!
     
  5. nynj

    nynj Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2012
    Meth???
     
  6. Braap

    Braap Well-Known Member

    465
    Dec 1, 2014
    Still have to pay for blue cross even as 5-0. Most municipalities no longer can afford to pay for health insurance for the police. Except they carry extreme hazard insurance on us. Like in case of being shot or .stabbed
     
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  7. kidde rocque

    kidde rocque Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    Same with the Feds
     
  8. sigmund

    sigmund Well-Known Member

    Dec 7, 2015
    I hear you, I understand the crazy costs involved with new drugs, and agree pharma should be able to recoup their costs and make profit, but it does get extreme in some cases. Turns out people will pay just about anything to stay alive, and the drug companies are not afraid to leverage this. You wanna be cured of Hep C, give us most of your retirement savings and we'll take care of it for you. Even old line generics have become absurdly expensive in recent years as drug companies consolidate and control the market.

    The biggest driver of health care cost increases is prescription drugs, so makes sense to look there first if you want to address the cost of health care.

    oh, and, thanks Obama!
     
  9. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    No, it is not. hospital Care is BY FAR the largest expense in healthcare.

    In fact, it is pharmaceuticals that REDUCE the need often times for that expensive hospital care. it is very fashionable to blame drug companies?? Why?? Because politicians try incessantly to hold them up for ransom..ie, they want their money!! Period!!
    And then, suckers buy in to their favorite politicians because suckers don't want to pay for the pills that are keeping them alive!! They want it "free"...

    BTW,....a course of Mercks HepC cure for Hep C is not that expensive anymore. Prior competitive therapies used to be close to 150,000K for 1-2 years therapy.. Now it is "down" to $50K, but only last 2 months. An improvement. But insurance pays for it.
    And it will again get better in the near future. Unless you liberals close the doors to pharma. The Soviets did. Are we next? Bernie and Hillary surely want to, but only after the pharmas pay their ransoms.......
     
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  10. kidde rocque

    kidde rocque Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    So Barry, would you explain exactly what happened back in 2004-2005 when pharma costs were so ridiculous that many American seniors were taking tour buses into Canada to get their scripts at radically reduced prices? Then GW Bush quickly passed laws making it illegal to buy American drugs in Canada or some such thing IIRC. Sure seemed like the Bush administration was taking care of Big Pharma to the chagrin of average Americans (or maybe how it was portrayed by the media).

    Not taking sides, just curious and would like the feedback of someone in the industry. This one always pissed me off though, I will admit.
     
  11. nynj

    nynj Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2012
    gotcha
     
  12. JayD

    JayD Well-Known Member

    Feb 6, 2012
    Not taking sides either but I think what your referring to is true...Rx prices. But, cost for care that is established say, between Cardiology Unit and the Insurnace Company for a heart valve replacement (as example....really any procedure or hospital stay) is a much bigger problem from a "healthcare" standpoint.
     
  13. JayD

    JayD Well-Known Member

    Feb 6, 2012
    Btw kid, it pisses me off too. especially after my recent episodes with both parents!
     
  14. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    Canada passed price controls then. That coincided with the death of their pharma industry, all which, moved out to other countries. The USA was forced, by their law, to sell drugs at lower prices in Canada One of the laws stated that, on discovery of a new drug, the discoverer has to give patent rights to their competition so all the pharmas can sell it at competitive prices, effectively dissolving then patent rights for pharma.. Pfizer, Merck, Lilly, Glaxo....all of them moved their operations away from Canada--it was a loss for the canadians in a big way. That is socialism for you within healthcare--stupid is as stupid does.
    The prices have not changed now; it is just that the "fad" of going there (urged on by Bernie,etc), is over. The media, of course, aided by zealots like Peter Jennings (a Canadian) at ABC was then in full-on attack mode against the pharma industry. BTW, Jennings died of lung cancer from cigarettes--he never used his position at ABC to attack cigarette companies as he did pharmas. The cigarettes killed him, the dumb ass. He got what he asked for.....no new lung cancer drugs to help him. There are 2 new ones now--pharmas have recently been able to reinvest in research as before. See the relationship?? Neither Hillary nor Bernie see it...
     
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  15. archy 2.0

    archy 2.0 Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2012
  16. Braap

    Braap Well-Known Member

    465
    Dec 1, 2014
    Fookin Obama
     
  17. kidde rocque

    kidde rocque Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    BTW Barry, thanks for that info. Makes sense
     
  18. archy 2.0

    archy 2.0 Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2012
  19. nopantsLance

    nopantsLance Well-Known Member

    Aug 15, 2016
  20. White Sea Ape

    White Sea Ape Well-Known Member

    595
    Dec 8, 2013
    somone should perhaps just put Barry Soetoro out of his misery already