The Flu and Flu Shotts

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by ChavezyChavez, Feb 18, 2018.

  1. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    And for the record, I’m not laughing at those of you who get the flu or have the flu. I want nothing but healthy lives for all of you. Take up smoking herb daily and you too can be like me, it’s the only way.
  2. La_Piedra

    La_Piedra Well-Known Member

    Oct 9, 2017
    Yeah I found out I was TB positive at 30 yoa. Made me take Cipro or something like that for like 6 months IIRC.

    No jaw scraping or anything like that tho

  3. mushdoc

    mushdoc Well-Known Member

    Jan 30, 2013
    Yeah Barry...they lost over a billion $$$$. Sure thing buddy.
  4. tropic surfer

    tropic surfer Well-Known Member

    Dec 7, 2011
    Follow the money.....Barry is probably a retired spokesman for Merck or Lily. Obviously biased.
    If you want the flu shot, get it. I don't care. (Someone else is paying for it, right?) [That, I do care about.]
    But spend 9 minutes watching the video here..this Dr. is not anti-vaccine and is a bit better qualified than most of us here, including Barry.
    "In the video he explains that the flu shot causes Guillain-Barré Syndrome, and that the flu shot is not very effective in preventing the flu. He also explains that the CDC does not follow the law for vaccines in requiring long-term safety testing for the influenza vaccine like they do with other vaccines, as it is impossible to test a vaccine that changes every year. So the flu vaccine is basically an experimental vaccine that they want to give out to 300 million people every year. There are also no studies showing the safety of giving the flu vaccine to the same person every single year. However, Dr. Geier points out that the CDC is in the business of distributing flu vaccines, because they represent 300 million doses per year, whereas all the childhood vaccines together only number 20 million."
  5. BassMon2

    BassMon2 Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2015

    I had a popped blood vessel in my left nut as a kid. Blew up to the size of a softball. Had surgery. Wore a sumo wrestler type bandage for awhile after that until the stiches dissolved.

    Do i win?
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  6. Zippy

    Zippy Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    I got my front teeth knocked out surfing when I was 18, a few days before my senior prom. I showed up to pick up my date wearing a tuxedo and missing 4 of my front teeth, top and bottom.
  7. NNYNJ

    NNYNJ Well-Known Member

    Dec 22, 2017
    Just curious... you say follow the money. Where is the money in a vaccine that everyone gets for free?
  8. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    And... if enough people get it really badly. If you get a small dose of the flu virus, and recover quickly, the virus has a shorter time to mutate, and you have a shorter window to infect others.

    Get the freakin' shot. The life you save might not be your own. It might be my kid... or your kid... or somebody's grandma.
  9. Mr.Belmar

    Mr.Belmar Well-Known Member

    Aug 19, 2010

    I totally agree

    The whole antivax thing kinda gets me irritated a bit- maybe some of these ppl should go back 200 or more years and see what it was like when it was a regular thing that ppl close to you and on your family died from disease and illness...

    Seems like it's really the younger generation that is against it- like the millennials. In fact a friend of mine decided that his children are not getting any vaccines because they just don't 'feel right' about it...
    Maybe that's the problem. I mean it all comes down to doing what you know is right for yourself and your family- but there is a big difference between arbitrary and absolute truth. One is based on feelings and one is based on reason and truths...

    You can run around and find explanations for anything to support your view on a particular topic... you can find a rabbit hole that blames pharma for pushing vaccines in order to make money or what ever- BUT there is one thing that you can't run from- and that's HISTORY. you can learn from your mistakes and you can learn from can learn from the past history- so no matter how smart you are, you can always learn...

    I don't want to see the day when my kids come home from school saying so and so just came down with the measles, mumps or polio...

    I'm thankful TubeDoc brought up Herd Immunity- that's a very great point, something that was worked hard for in the past, but sadly we are slowly leaving because we just 'feel' like we should.
  10. surfsolo

    surfsolo Well-Known Member

    Apr 1, 2009
    Flu shots are a government mind control conspiracy didn't you know? Also, don't get me started on the chem trails
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  11. smitty517

    smitty517 Well-Known Member

    Oct 30, 2008
    Holy crap this thread caught fire. On an average day i think about vaccine efficacy zero times but i think about breastesses at least 100 times. What does that mean? I dont really know.
  12. NNYNJ

    NNYNJ Well-Known Member

    Dec 22, 2017
    It means breastesess are the boredom vaccine
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  13. DosXX

    DosXX Well-Known Member

    Mar 2, 2013
    One of the scariest things I saw as a kid was an iron lung. It was used for those paralyzed from polio. This was in the late 1950s. Why is it that we don't worry about polio anymore...or smallpox for that matter? How soon we forget.

  14. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    Wait...did you just quote Meg Tyrell from CNBC??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!! AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!Quoting NBC is hardly an objective journal or reputable source of information. Try it again.
    Additionally, your theme seems to want pharmas to lose money; you resent them earning money. Wonder why?
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  15. littlerhody

    littlerhody Well-Known Member

    Jan 16, 2009
    As usual what the hell are you ever talking about. Take it easy on the pharmaceuticals
  16. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    Huh?? "Probably" a spokesman for pharma??? No kidding?? Have I ever said I worked for them??
    ALL vaccines cause GBS, that is a known fact and an acceptable % when going for herd immunity, regrettably. Modern biological thinking, ever since Darwin, addresses issues for populations, not individuals. There are both strengths and weaknesses in that approach to herd immunity. Thank your lucky stars (or better yet, pharmas) you no longer have to deal with smallpox or polio.
    Dr. Geier is a homeopathy quack, tropic surfer. Nothing more.
    Anyways, hope you never get the flu. I have had it several times over my life (sometimes mild, sometimes horrendous), but in the last 20 years, since I have been taking the shot, not once.
  17. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    Flu is transmitted person to person via the lungs; it is airborne transmission mostly.. I presume you have 2 lungs, correct? <grin>
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  18. JayD

    JayD Well-Known Member

    Feb 6, 2012
    I wonder why the U.S. leads all developed countries across the world with Down syndrome? There has been debate that it is attributed to vaccines (I have no idea if true). Also other debates on other environmental causes. It's odd that it's so prevalent here in the U.S.

    My colleague got flu this year (he got shot) and it did not hit him that hard. Seems like the symptoms where relatively mild compared to what they could have been.
  19. tropic surfer

    tropic surfer Well-Known Member

    Dec 7, 2011
    There's money in it or it wouldn't be available.
    Remember when people demanded free health care? The saying was, if you think it's expensive now, wait 'til it's free.
    Someone else paying for it makes us all poorer. Like 20 trillion poorer.
    This is from Mushdoc's link:

    "That time of year is upon us, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said manufacturers are distributing more flu vaccine in the U.S. than ever: a projected 171 million to 179 million doses this year.

    That's up from 147.8 million distributed last year, amounting to $1.61 billion in revenue, according to industry researcher IMS Health. Globally, manufacturer CSL estimates the market for influenza vaccines at $4 billion.

    The market's been growing along with a public health push for vaccination; rates in the U.S. have been steadily rising, and five years ago the CDC expanded its recommendation for the flu shot to everyone in the U.S. older than 6 months.

    Now, an estimated 44 percent of American adults get vaccinated..
    What does that mean for business?

    There are a few major makers of the vaccine in the U.S.: Sanofi Pasteur is the largest, supplying a projected 65 million doses or more this year, followed by Australian company CSL, at up to 54 million doses (after acquiring Novartis's flu vaccine unit in August), and GlaxoSmithKline, at up to 38 million doses.

    GlaxoSmithKline switched this year to make only the quadrivalent vaccine, citing customer demand, and has a direct-to-consumer advertising campaign for it that said, "Choose More, Choose Four."

    With the protection against the extra strain comes the ability to charge more: GSK's Fluarix and FluLaval cost $16.05 and $15.05 a dose, respectively, according to the CDC. That compares with $10.69 for Sanofi Pasteur's Fluzone. Sanofi also offers a Fluzone Quadrivalent, for $16.15 per dose.

    GlaxoSmithKline, like many others, uses chicken eggs to manufacture its flu vaccines.

    "The egg is actually a manufacturing facility," Slaoui explained. "It's fully sterile, totally equipped, and all you need to do is put it at the right temperature and put virus into it."

    So, there is a trail of money. It's just that it's obscured.
  20. kpd73

    kpd73 Well-Known Member

    Jan 30, 2013
    Stoked you're Awake tropic surfer. Thanks for this.