The Moaning Chair

Discussion in 'Global Surf Talk' started by Roy Stuart, Jun 26, 2015.

  1. Riley Martin

    Riley Martin Well-Known Member

    Jan 13, 2015
    He is? No really, I had no idea.

    Tell truth, I don't know much aboot the guy, but couldn't resist an opportunity to hassle a Kiwi, especially one talking smack aboot the good ol' US and an A.

    Plus, he's one of them foreigners who hassle Americans for being dumb because they don't realize we spell words differently. "Learn how to spell, dumb American...." Ah yeah, we don't have a thing for the "u." And we use the "s" and "z" properly. America invented the English language, so I think we know what we are doing.

    Ha, I barely even watched any of these monologue vids. I insulted him and I didn't even I know if I was correct in doing so. I just went with an initial impression.

    But that's how I roll. Totally reckless on the computer.

    So, really now, Roy's famous?

    Doesn't he live in the sticks and ride weird boards? What's so special aboot that? Cepriano lives in Jersey and rides conventional equipment. I'm more impressed with Cepriano.

    Man, I'm so jealous of Roy Stuart right now. He looks like the junkie I gave two dollars to on 42nd St this past Saturday. And yet, he gets MIS-13's praise. So jealous right now. So jealous.
     
  2. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Lol I believe you.... quite an amusing picture imagining that you would actually do such a thing.

    Anyway I can quote you a story on this subject, if you like.

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  3. Zeroevol

    Zeroevol Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2009
    Hey Roy, I thought the "Moaning Chair" was just for b!tchin and moanin? Or is it for just a chair to air any discussions?
     
  4. The Lonesome Tractor

    The Lonesome Tractor Well-Known Member

    544
    Feb 13, 2012
    I see what you are saying. I don't know much about dynamics, or hydrodynamics for that matter, but my intuition tells me that while on plan these same equal and opposite forces are present.

    Think about pumping down the line into a close out section. Cut to the top at the last second and let the lip of the wave turn your board back down the face of the wave. You feel vibration caused by the lip hitting the bottom of your board as well as from the load you apply to the tail of the board.

    Obviously if you market a surfboard to have more features than others, you will pique the interest of more potential buyers. But we should not lose the innovation and progression of surfing to the fallacies of marketing. Nor should we assume that the marketing technique is only that.
     
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  5. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    All boards flex, and they do so in relation to the changing forces and their vectors. You already know that riding waves isn't static... it's dynamic. And that presents a lot of design challenges when trying to create a board that does "everything."
     
  6. Zeroevol

    Zeroevol Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2009
    Lost V3, enough said. LOL J/K, but this board feels like it does everything
     
  7. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Your name was mentioned when talking about logs, made from various woods. When I said "Roy", I got a clueless look. When I mentioned million dollar boards, a couple of my friends heard of it.
     
  8. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Equal and opposite yes, but not equally distributed:

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    I'm not assuming, I'm analysing. :cool:
     
  9. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    http://grainsurf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5332&start=60

    "Huck and I were making the hand off at the Malibu surf parking lot yesterday. At least 4 or 5 complete strangers walked up and knew exactly what it was. Pretty cool. One guy said he recognized the board from out in the water so he paddled in to check it out. We let them all check it out, pick it up. Big BIG grins all around."
     
  10. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    randy rarick test drive of gnome kindling
     
  11. ClemsonSurf

    ClemsonSurf Well-Known Member

    Dec 10, 2007
    Move along yank. That was from 2008.

    That means your response is from 2008 too. I'm pretty sure I'm quoting Roy when I say "that's just lame".
     
  12. The Lonesome Tractor

    The Lonesome Tractor Well-Known Member

    544
    Feb 13, 2012
    I'm anal too, but I sing all the time.

    I believe what we are looking at is a bit different than what i was describing.

    Basically, that diagram shows the distributed load for an object slightly off plane. I can see how this would create a different pressure profile. Irregardless (I love using that word), there are opportunities for the board to flex.

    I think we agree that the flex is not pronounced enough to really change the feel of the ride.

    Obviously, more experienced surfers, might immediately notice a difference between a board with different types of glass and stringer combinations, but what it does to their surfing... I don't know.
     
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  13. ibc

    ibc Well-Known Member

    Aug 3, 2014
    Yeah, me too.

    Where's the slot for coins to be added for more vibrate time?

    But srsly, Paulie tries to give credit where credit is due. Gotta hand it to you Mr Roy. No ski masks or other veils of secrecy in your vids. You ain't hidin behind any curtains, etc. Don't think many on this forum would be so up front and honest, regardless of what folks may think.
     
  14. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    If we know the way a board flexes is completely dependent upon the rider and wave, this kind of analysis makes very limited contributions to understanding flex in boards that most people choose to ride. I'm not saying we shouldn't be looking at this... we should, because it informs our explanations about the hows and whys of board design and performance. And I'll admit that this kind of analysis makes more sense in how Roy designs his boards to do what they do... and they do that very well. But if what you're after is a board that helps you surf like Slater, then we need to have a different kind of analysis. Just for a moment, consider the forces and vectors involved when you're deep in the pocket of a steep, barreling wave, vs a full rail cutback, vs a snap under the lip, vs landing an air. Consider the differences in flex in a short, thick, full volumed fish vs a longer, delicately foiled step up.
     
  15. JayD

    JayD Well-Known Member

    Feb 6, 2012
    Well put LB. This along with a surfer's style. You could have the same board with two guys at 6' 185lbs but ride totally different. The so called flex (which I think is minimal in the kind of boards we mostly ride on the EC) with a narrow stance versus wider stance will be distributed differently. This is were the real value comes into play for an intermediate to advanced surfer working with a local shaper...or trial an error from the rack. I think rocker, rail/foil, thickness are more superior factors to consider for most surfers (If you are riding a ten footer in any surf from Waikiki to Mavs, I could see were flex might be a factor. For instance, not necessarily when on rail but thinking of the later drops at Mavs where much of the board leaves the wave and then "lands" to surface as you make drop).

    Roy can you elaborate on flex pertaining to boards that are say less then 7' and why it matters and how you address it for more performance (glass/poly/epoxy/, stringer, thickness etc.)? Thanks
     
  16. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    I always thought the part of the board (on a shortboard) that flexes most is the tail. Due to the rider standing back foot over the fins, and it is thinner and more foiled than the mid section of the board, so thats where you get the snap. And also where the nose meets the mid section of the board (usually where they tend to break).

    The flex in the tail makes the board feel alive to the rider. Fins can add or subtract more, and maybe have a bigger impact overall.
     
  17. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    Thou dost protest too much!
     
  18. Bill O'Reilly

    Bill O'Reilly Active Member

    40
    Dec 4, 2014
    Roy,

    This Sh!t is just plain weird.

    Super weird.

    Not in a good way.
     
  19. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Nice try, chromedome - - you're the one who posted that wackadoodle tread about your imaginary friend 'Bill' who supposedly built a gnome board in South Cackalacky, trailered it to the ocean & that's where the trail ended - - but you have always been, and you remain, a gnome fanbuoy & your sisterly protective instincts of the deviant are one of your hallmarks.
     
  20. ClemsonSurf

    ClemsonSurf Well-Known Member

    Dec 10, 2007
    Yes, steve83. Good carpenter but I don't think he surfs much. Also hasn't been around since about 2013. Reload and try again.

    I guess the point is you're boring.