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you know you guys are 100% right about Obama...let's see without him the automobile industry would have collapsed, Bin Ladin wouldn't have a bullet in his head. He's not a socialist, no matter how much Fox news you watch. and Republicans should be ashamed of themselves for holding the country back and fighting him on everything he tries to do.

Republicans remind me of a spoiled brat who doesn't get what he/she wants, so they ruin it for everyone else.

Granted, he may not be the best president, but considering the sh*t he was left to handle from the last jackass, I'd say he's done pretty well.

 

That's it, blame everybody else...How's that 'no more than 8% unemployment' pledge working out? the costs of health care? oh and Ford never took a bailout ant they are roaring right now...hmmmm. you fail but thanks for trying. oh and republicans are holding him back because they were elected in 2010 to do just that!

 

So you apparently prefer the rhetoric and hyperbole flavors MSNBC and Think Progress offer up.

I in no way defend Bush. However, read my other post on this thread. POLITICAL HISTORY DID NOT BEGIN WITH BUSH!!!!

Also, read this: http://writingcenter.unc.edu/resources/handouts-demos/writing-the-paper/fallacies
You are guilty of at least 4 and arguably 6. If you cannot read and comprehend that, then you should revisit basic exponential and argumentative style.

If you actually believe what you wrote to be true and effective, then you need even more work than reviewing typical logical fallacies. I will be glad to dissect your post if you like...

PS, the only people in modern politics acting like spoiled brats are the Occupy kids

 

DEFINITION OF SOCIALISM:

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

For those who would attempt to spin this definition, "distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done" specifically means that Marx believed that the "wealthy elite" were the benefactors of "unequal distribution of goods and pay" in comparison to the "working class", who did 99% of the actual work.

Make no mistake, I am not advocating Marxism, Socialism or Communism. I am an independent, because I believe that neither the Liberals nor the Conservatives have the best interests of our nation or our people. They are merely catering to lobbyists and campaign donors.

However, I am sick and tired of the certain leanings of voters that continue to call our current POTUS a "socialist", "communist", or even worse, "Nazi". I don't agree with all his policies, but he certainly falls under NONE of these blanket statements.

Examples of "Socialist" countries: Cuba, and North Korea. PERIOD. China is still Socialist, but undergoing dramatic Capatalistic changes. Same with Russia and East Germany.

Please show me where the United States owns even a small portion of American business and resources, such as PEMEX in Mexico, GAZPROM in Russia, etc. Please show me where the U.S. has ever attempted to take over private property, which cannot be owned in China or Cuba, truly "socialist" countries.

My point is, don't be so foolishly blinded by your political loyalty or "patriotism", a phrase that is being loosely thrown about way too much these days. If you're going to throw around a lot of strong words and accusations, you may want to pick up a dictionary first.

 

People who think republicans and democrats are different make me laugh. It seems pretty clear that America has become a one-party system and that party - whatever you want to call it - is concerned only with serving the ruling class that props them up. They plunder taxpayers to take care of their major donors and line their own pockets at the same time. My advice - not that anyone wants it - is get yourself a piece of land someplace close to waves (or whatever matters to you) where you can take care of yourself and your family, because if you think your government gives a flock about you, you're sadly mistaken.

 

To paraphrase Shakespeare: There are more flavors of socialism than are dreamt of in your dictionary, Horatio. Just because something doesn't meet the exact definition in Webster's doesn't make it not so...

 

I'm not blaming anybody else, but nice try. What about GM? Did i say Ford? Hey, next time you get a minute look into the law Republicans pushed to enact on making the voting process feasible for the elderly and minorities. I think you'll find your boys are doing some shady sh*t just to make sure they're in power after the election.

 

No, not at all. I jst know that if it weren't for a gun toting hillbilly, who bombs first, then asks questions, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now.

 

Like actually requiring an ID to verify that someone is who they say they are? The Horror...I bet they even want to prevent "The Children" from voting! oh wait...
Perhaps they should hire all the old Acorn community organizers to register illegal aliens fictional characters and dead people. Pfffffffft.

 

Sorry...I was just venting when i wrote that sarcastic post.

I wasnt saying you dont know what your talking about.

I really think this country is digging into a deep, deep hole, and has fiscal and foreign policy problems that are so bad if they arent solved really soon, the hole will be so deep it will take decades or longer to solve, and will cause a lot of pain. The next presidential and congressional elections are going to be really critical and few if any politicians are willing to make necessary but unpopular decisions because the whole process of governing has been corrupted by obsessions over winning the PR-perception battle, media coverage, constant campaigning, and constant fund raising. Any serious attempt at problem solving goes out the window. Just look at the last 72 hours in congress.

In your post your use the following reference points:
"I have this new color of lipstick you can try out on that pig of yours"
"Chicago-style buddy-buddy cronyism"
"fresh,* *successful,* or *changey"
"Democratic Kool Aid mill"

I guess the point i was trying sarcastically, but unsuccessfully, to make is that these kinds of flame throwing slogans are at the core of what is wrong. They are VERY useful in winning PR battles, and getting ratings for MSNBC, FOX and the like. Using those reference points in a debate brings the discussion down to the gutter politics level that has gotten us to where we are.

 

Twisting Shakespeare's words to fit your agenda is not "paraphrasing"....it's a blatant ripoff to put a political spin on it. Webster's is the world's foremost authority on words and phrases in the English language, whether it suits your agenda or not. And your agenda is obvious, Hannity or O'Reilly or Coulter or whatever your name is.

 

Did I offend? Perhaps you should cry to your momma. Maybe I should dumb it down for you: No matter how thin you slice it, its still baloney. If I've succeeded in making you look and feel foolish, I've satisfied my "agenda".

 

He doesn't need to cry, Boehner has cried enough for all of us.

 

"Martin Nesbitt, D-N.C., argued that these groups often do not have state-issued photo IDs, adding that the requirement serves as a partisan roadblock to keep these demographics from voting. 'It is blatant voter intimidation—there is absolutely no problem with voter fraud. It's a political bill,' Nesbitt said. "It's fine to play politics. It's not fine to disenfranchise people." "

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/05/10711/voter-suppression-bills-sweep-country

 

Great points. That's kinda what I thought you were getting at and you are completely right

 

As I've already noted, I'll be voting for the intelligent one. That way we all win.

 

You don't need to be the smartest guy in the room to be president anymore, yes you need to be an above average intellect BUT, what you really need is a set of PRINCIPLES which guide your decision making process. The world/governance is so complicated now a days, presidents have slew of aids and advisors schooled in there particular discipline to help the president. It's then when he makes his decisions based on his PRINCIPLES. If by smartest guy you mean Obama...you're just being silly. I'd put Ron Paul and or Gingrich against Obama any day. Alot of mass murderers and sociopaths would be considered genial...but what they lack is a proper foundation....a guiding set of good PRINCIPLES. Obama has his own principles...he's a socialist at heart. Has he been able to enact all his "dreams of his father"? NO. Do not fool yourself into thinking that he wouldn't if he could...fortunately there's been some backlash to his attempt to govern us based on his PRINCIPLES. He is only coming toward the center because it's an election year..it's a survival instinct.

 

no you didn't say Ford or GM, in fact you said: " the automobile industry"

also shortly after you said "your not blaming anybody else" you said "I jst know that if it weren't for a gun toting hillbilly, who bombs first, then asks questions, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now"

 

Vote For me! LOL