the rush of continuous rhythm

that is what makes the issue difficult. it seems to go one way and in general it does.
except when it doesn't.

how do you feel about channel-bottoms? not concaves as we hashed that out before.
also, how do (committed) shortboarders feel about longboards?

answers not so important as is the concept of what makes up the MAINSTREAM?7

 

sorry for over-posting but i'm STUCK at home cause 9 contractor type persons have my bathroom in pieces....

i contend channel-bottoms have been rejected by the mainstream. poll?
spent a whole lotta time/$/ag - well; maybe not you - on that one...equip-bitterness chapter ______.

your candid replies for me are food for thot so thanks that and how bout dis....?

the leash example is also a marvelous example of your contentions...a purple solution in a red/blue world...
heres' how: 4sure didn't work on nose so we tied it to something to do w/the fin (anything) which was SO CUMBERSOME
it inspired somebody (who i would give credit here if i knew; maybe one of our 60 somethings can illuminate..)
to attach it to the deck which VOILA is where it has been for the lifetimes of most of our posters, nose issue
dead and buried and unlikely to be resurrected.....hee - hee .....unless it is....but bet it wont.

 

Was thinking the same thing. There is a left there and it's fun, just not as obvious as the constant rights

 

...not as obvious.....right.
you gotta do SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT if you wanna get one there...
i used to show up there thinking.....wow; what does it take today?
you know jobos does the same ting....?

 

Here's something I'm trying to sort out in my head, hopefully LBCrew can chime in, as he seems to be the only one with asym experience here, and I think it is where baddy and DPSUP are going as well...

Do the features of an asym board enhance both your frontside and backside surfing experience? I've come to accept that asym design can be about more than just going one way on a wave, that it can address the inherent differences in how your body works heelside vs. toeside. BUT toeside frontside is very different from toeside backside (as are the complementary, heelside counterparts). How does it all translate? Have you used asym boards going backside?

 

I've never ridden an asym, and i'm sure you guys have moved on from this, i haven't read through it all. But the idea that they only go one way is what i always figured to, until a buddy explained it to me. ANd the idea is that basically it's taking the board you like going right on and combining it with the board you like going left on. So it's actually made to excel going backside and frontside, not just one way.

Sorry if you guys have already gone over this. I'm to lazy to read the whole thread right now. I'm goin surfin.

And to add, the mainstream is a JOKE! Nobody should be riding the same boards the pro's ride. THose things are so chipped out it's ridiculous. Unless you have a serious shot at going pro. Get on something that will actually work for you! Surfing is supposed to be fun.

 

again food for thot. ok my idea of mainstream is as follows: if 50 riders are out; take the top ten. then look
to see if 9 out of 10 of them have something (or lots of things) in common. they usually do. black suit/white board ok thats a joke but you get gist.

as far as a paradigm-shifting design; well, i would contend we have NEVER been able to recognize such and
only accept it after the MAINSTREAM shoves it down our throat. what did you think - really - when you first
saw photos of laird paddling a longboard??

i see the leash analogy as one of tweaked-well technology - as you have supported - yet with an absolute...
not on the nose. the analogy w/a-syms would be that modern tail shapes already serve us well and my objection
is that we should not fix what is not broke. cause we already tried. you say we should keep trying and thats
fine yet.....you might be standing on the back of failure....cause so many others have tried. conversely, todays'
equipment WORKS SO WELL because so many have not taken no for an answer....so, under those
circumstances how could we recognize the holy grail if it showed up?

 

never thot of it like dat. does that theory support my a-frame mindset as it would appear to?

never said i or you or anybody would ride ks's' board well. my idea is that if you want clarity with
respect to equipment innovation at least consider the efforts of those who would de-throne him.
i mean; how indeed does one pull this off? some spotlight at least must shine on the equipment. and
therein possibly a clue...

 

If there's 50 surfers out I'm going somewhere else, so I guess I'll never see what the top 10 are riding.

 

I think channel bottoms are superior in speed for making fast barrels. You don't see many because they are a pain in the a$$ to shape, and very labor intensive, so shapers don't push them on the mainstream.

 

so its like this?!?

we want them cause we need them but we don't get them cause others who don't actually ride them have
chosen not to produce them.....?

 

I shaped a channel bottom for a guy last year. Far from mainstream, but yea... people still see their value and like the different feel they give, including me. This is something I wrote about channel bottoms a couple years ago...

Channel Bottoms

Like concaves, channel bottoms are designed, in theory, to direct water flow from nose to tail and in doing so, generate more drive and speed. They may also facilitate some ventilation or introduce some boundary layer turbulence, depending on their shape and length. But unlike concaves, channels do not alter rocker in any significant manner. Rather, channels are simply wedge-shaped grooves shaped into the existing bottom of the board, whether it be flat, concave or (rarely) convex. The channels are most often toed in at the same angle as the rail fins, and may be uniform in width, or flared slightly from entry to exit. Typically 4 to 8 grooves are shaped into the bottom of the board through the tail section only, although some channel bottoms can begin to fade in at about the middle of the board. The longer and deeper the channels, the more their effects are felt. The channels may fade out behind the trailing fin, or may run right off the tail rails and out the tail block. The trailing fin most often sits on the peak created by the two centermost channels, and the rail fins may sit within a channel, or on the edge of a channel.

Most commonly used on boards for small to medium surf, channel bottoms are effective in creating more hold and drive, but at speed have a tendency to become tracky. To compensate for this trackiness would require accelerated rocker, smaller fins, or a narrower tail, all of which would effectively undo what small wave boards are designed to do – plane higher, flatter and faster in weak or small surf. Still, channels do provide excellent hold on steep sections, conserve speed through turns, and add heaps of drive, and so modest accommodations can be made: smaller fins and (because bottom channels, like rail channels, tend to stiffen a board) a touch more rocker are common combinations with this design.

 

Yeah it can be a hassle getting one on a crowded day, so gotta get creative or just drop in and roll the dice. Haven't been up to Jobos yet, always had great waves right there in Rincon every time, so haven't needed to leave the area, but it's on the radar should it go flat down there.

 

Yea... if you think that production doesn't affect what ultimately becomes "mainstream" you're mistaken.

 

jobos is the BEST; goofies tend to falter slightly but the good ones keep-up...its a bendy juicy 3 section
righthander and truly one of the islands better waves. DON'T CHECK IT FROM THE SIDE and the little left
off the 2nd peak ends in dry reef...the 2nd section can shack like whack....you'll LOVE it.

 

The whole idea that if the on tour pros don't ride it, then it can't be good is mildly flawed. As they don't want to risk trying something new while in the race for a title. They leave the expirimentation for off season, and the free surfing pro's.