Upwelling is Counterintuitive

Discussion in 'USA Mainland Surf Forum' started by cackedinri, Jul 9, 2014.

  1. cackedinri

    cackedinri Well-Known Member

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    May 21, 2012
    looked up some scientific explanations and just ended up getting annoyed, I need surfer explanations bc im a commoner.

    how does south wind make the water go to 50 degrees in july in jersey??

    you'd think a south wind would push warmer water from down south up north and either keep temps the same or give em a bump and north/east winds would cool it down by pushing surface currents toward us.

    really only looked into upwelling when goin' to OBX deciding what rubber to bring. there I get it. its so exposed..blah blah.

    anybody got a simplified explanation?... sh!t is fascinating to me...
     
  2. Zippy

    Zippy Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    For some reason wind blowing parallel to the beach causes the surface water to move at a right angle and go offshore, the void is filled by the deep cold water from below. It has something to do with the earths rotation but for the life of me I can't remember that far back to college level oceanography.
     

  3. sbx

    sbx Well-Known Member

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    Mar 21, 2010
    same reason the water spins down your toilet when you flush
     
  4. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    It's got to have something to do with No. Jerz having so much east-facing coastline to which southerlies are true sideshore winds. I initially thought the same as you with all things south bringing warmer things this way. But a warmer wind isn't going to heat up such a substantial volume of water very much. It seems to be all about the nutrient-rich water rising up from the deep and that's water that is too deep to absorb heat from the sun or ambient air.

    Micah, I think you've had good responses to this in the past. What's good bro?
     
  5. cackedinri

    cackedinri Well-Known Member

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    May 21, 2012
    I get that a void is being filled but how does deeper cold water beat out warmer surface water that is being driven by the wind to the same spot?

    water temp is really determined by currents is why this perplexes me. I didn't realize it til my fisherman homie from up north told me that he had seen 85 degree water off shore near georges bank. I called his bluff, looked it up, and he was spot on. crazy ish.
     
  6. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Nutrient concentration
     
  7. worsey

    worsey Well-Known Member

    Oct 13, 2013
    this is basically true.
    if you don't get it try thinking in three dimensions (L+H+W) as opposed to two.
    if you figure it out please answer THIS question:
    why must the hammer fall on so jersey??
     
  8. Sniffer

    Sniffer Well-Known Member

    Sep 20, 2010
    Displacement of water. When the upper layer of water moves in one direction, something has to take its place…hence the lower layer takes its place.
     
  9. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    You're gonna have to forgive my extreme dorky-ness... but the answer is, we really don't know for sure. That's because most of the studies on upwelling were done on the California coast, not here, and so there's not been adequate research and data collection to explain the subtleties of how it works along the Mid Atlantic Bight.

    But we do know this... the tremendous amount of variation along our coastline (the MAB) creates variations in upwelling patterns, different angles of the shoreline not being the only factor. Perhaps of more significance is the outflow of more buoyant water from rivers, bays, and estuaries, where lower salinity and higher temperature creates disturbances in the typical upwelling patterns. If this interests you, look up ekman transport, and read this article... http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0485(2003)033<1954:TCPDAU>2.0.CO;2
     
  10. worsey

    worsey Well-Known Member

    Oct 13, 2013
    wow - i read it. i had to go get an engineering degree to do so but still back before lunch.
    two things stand out:

    1) alongshore flow. the water level basically does not rise but if the 'flow goes' it must
    be replaced somehow.
    2) bottom friction. to me this explains (to me) why the onset and degradation (of the phenom) are slow.
    3) todays oc cam shows fine surf with no one out. makes sense to me.

    anyway thank you lbcrew for that as i now see a bit clearer.
     
  11. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Interesting stuff. The way everything all pans out on this planet is fu*king amazing.
     
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  13. 3rdperson

    3rdperson Well-Known Member

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    Mar 14, 2014
    Definitely winter time yesterday.... 47 degrees.

    Curious though even though upwelling is mainly a short term event, when you get such a drastic change like we have had in moco for the last few days, shouldn't SI make note of it in the report? The temp still shows 68 degrees....
     
  14. Sniffer

    Sniffer Well-Known Member

    Sep 20, 2010
    Say what?! Thats sounds awful, old man winter is always lurking in the Northeast...
     
  15. worsey

    worsey Well-Known Member

    Oct 13, 2013
    i caught a chill just reading that.
     
  16. cepriano

    cepriano Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2012
    south wind means the wind is coming from the north blowing towards the south,so we basically get nova scotia temps.
     
  17. cackedinri

    cackedinri Well-Known Member

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    May 21, 2012
    great info, thanks all. that post from 07 was rather informative.
     
  18. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    BahahahahahHa
     
  19. sbx

    sbx Well-Known Member

    977
    Mar 21, 2010
    I mean, OP asked for a simplified response, seems like he nailed it