URGENT! Fracking facility NJ coast

Discussion in 'Non Surf Related' started by archy 2.0, Jul 4, 2013.

  1. pinkstink

    pinkstink Well-Known Member

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    Aug 20, 2012
    Dude, wake up. Fracking is absolutely horrible for the environment. Drinking water contamination, air pollution, random gas leaks that blow up homes, etc. That's all no bueno. It might be cleaner burning than coal but that doesn't make it good for the environment. Here's a good article from a reputable source to back my claim.

    http://environment.yale.edu/envy/stories/fracking-outpaces-science-on-its-impact
     
  2. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Well, it's about fracking time someone gets it.
     

  3. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    But that has nothing to do with this petition. Stopping a single port will not change supply and demand. Again, not sure why fracking was even mentioned.
     
  4. archy 2.0

    archy 2.0 Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2012
    I realize you were not hacking on me. and im sorry if you got the wrong impression. also I have not scolded anyone for not signing.

    I made this thread to raise awareness of this issue as it came to my attention through an email I received.

    I don't have all the facts, and I welcome and appreciate all knowledge on this issue.
     
  5. hinmo24t

    hinmo24t Well-Known Member

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    Jan 16, 2012
    Pj - a private corporation wouldnt be funded by taxpayer dollars, which is the reason I would want the industry made up of as many private corporations as possible. Gov will have its hands all over it though. I actually didn't read into the ocean fracking ill admit but I am all for it on land for reasons I mentioned before. If your a healthy adult with so.e physical ability you can go to the dakotas right now and make in excess of 60k a year (i wouldn't live away from the ocean for that). Too bad the epa shut down the keystone pipeline because that would have had a beneficial impact on the country too. Just like china got the keystone pipeline after obama dropped the ball on it, if we don't use these resources to our advantage somebody else will, having the same or worse effect on environment. There is no efficient demand for clean alternates right now and with the correlation of fuel prices to quality of human life and economic conditions we need to be smart. If we can improve underlying economy the resources to invest in clean alternates willthen become efficient...
     
  6. archy 2.0

    archy 2.0 Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2012
    private as in like BP. yeah they had real positive impact.
     
  7. Peajay4060

    Peajay4060 Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2011
    The security would be done by the coast guard. At least with the broad water project in the sound it was. They are funded by our taxes.
     
  8. archy 2.0

    archy 2.0 Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2012
    I don't mean to get off topic but that sounds like Fascism to me.
     
  9. scotty

    scotty Well-Known Member

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    Aug 26, 2008
    Read the second petition linked in the original post. It uses the usual tortured logic to make the connection between this proposed port facility and fracking, to get you to sign. In the simplified world of petition writers, ports are how you move the product, fracking is a way to extract the product, therefore the port near new jersey will lead to fracking in new jersey.
     
  10. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Yeah, just silly. Port or no port, demand (and extraction) will continue to increase. Cummins is starting to move engine development into the realms of natural gas for large railroad and marine. It is cheaper and cleaner, so there is a big market there. This petition won't do sh1t to stop anything. If people want to save the planet and lower our energy needs, they need to stop breeding. Increased population equals increased energy demands.
     
  11. archy 2.0

    archy 2.0 Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2012
    i bet if they wanted to build a LNG deep water port in your back yard, you would sign a petition to stop it.
     
  12. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    We already have a massive fuel terminal at our ports, not to mention the numerous other hazardous cargo ships that go in and out of Charleston harbor every day. The only thing I fight against is off shore drilling here. That is something to be concerned about and something we can actually stop. The environmental hazards that come from a natural gas terminal are very small compared to an offshore drilling operation.
     
  13. archy 2.0

    archy 2.0 Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2012
    and so you think we cant stop this LNG port?
     
  14. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    No, not through an Internet petition. You need political pull.
     
  15. Peajay4060

    Peajay4060 Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2011
    I'll bet money that thing doesn't get built
     
  16. chicharronne

    chicharronne Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2006
    [video=youtube;XGEc8KBKO8I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGEc8KBKO8I[/video]
     
  17. ChavezyChavez

    ChavezyChavez Well-Known Member

    Jun 20, 2011
    Fracking is going on full force in upstate PA where I go to kill deer and turkeys. There has been some minor spillage but pretty much every local who sold out to let them drill on their property now has a new barn, Harley, and pick-up and there kids are all going to East Stroudsburg paid in full. I know those companies got the governor elected in PA (Corbett I think). he is letting them run amok. Those wells are all over the place.
    BUT, in terms of our area (beach/ocean) I'm not even sure if there is enough of the gas they hope to get in the shale layer under the ocean off NY, NJ. DE, MD, VA, NC, etc. I thought it was more of a mountain area thingie.
     
  18. chicharronne

    chicharronne Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2006
    Our genius of a Gov thinks its a good idea to allow uranium mining close to our water source.
     
  19. surfX

    surfX Member

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    Sep 9, 2010
  20. archy 2.0

    archy 2.0 Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2012