Vote Today?

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by zach619, Nov 4, 2014.

Did you Vote today (Nov 4)

Poll closed Nov 6, 2014.
  1. Yes I voted

    34 vote(s)
    59.6%
  2. No I didn't

    23 vote(s)
    40.4%
  1. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    LOLOLO entitlement and libertarian are OPPOSITES, nice job trying to conflate them. or maybe you actually believe that. poor you
    are you glad your taxes kill brown babies abroad? just wondering

    try thinking, it gets things done
     
  2. crashflow

    crashflow Member

    8
    Nov 10, 2009
    Hey MakeItStop:

    >> you are making it more complicated than it is. the shipping industry would make it happen, especially now

    I think you are way over-simplifying what it takes to get large projects done and the kind of return that investors expect. In all honesty, the shipping industry doesn't need buoys for navigation - they use GPS (another gubmint handout). Weather data - I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure that can also be grabbed pretty efficiently via satellite.

    >> antithesis of freedom and people who advocate this statist thinking are the enemies of mankind.

    By your hyperbole, guessing you're not happy at having been called out for not knowing how much a continent-wide navigation and weather gathering system actually costs and how much one could make off of it. Again, send me your spread sheet, it would be fun to look at it. By the way - the world-wide buoys were put there by governments as well.

    >> essentially you are saying without gvt to force us into servitude/slavery, sh1t wouldn't get done

    I'm saying that without all of us contributing as a society, there are many, many accomplishments that would have been out of reach. I named a few.

    >> we are entering a brand new world

    No we aren't. Everyone who's ever said that has been wrong.

    >> we dont need masters or thinkers like yourself

    We do if the quality of your thought is any indication of what to expect from the middle of the bell curve. However, I actually think most people are plenty smart, just short sighted, self-interested, and lack imagination.

    >> and my taxes paid to kill a bunch of brown kids too

    We all bear responsibility for that.

    I'm not really sure what your argument is. We shouldn't pay taxes or just we should only pay taxes for what we each individually decide we want to pay taxes for? If that is your point (and I apologize if it isn't), how about you imagine and describe what this world would look like and what would take place if that started tomorrow. Honestly it would be a fascinating science fiction story, and you could probably turn it into a movie - mainly because it would be a human disaster with horrific scale. Would look good on iMax though.
     

  3. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    we should be allowed to voluntarily contribute what we wish to use, forcing us to use/pay anything is immoral.

    I dont mind being called out. buoys and satellites are complicated, I get it. Private industry can do anything gvts can do, and usually more efficiently. granted that private space rocket exploded recently, but NASA has had plenty failure too.

    failure leads to growth if you admit your mistakes

    forcing taxation leads to wars. always. history has shown me this

    and by deriding the middle of the bell curse, sounds like you want a technocratic autocracy. What. a. Nightmare.
     
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  4. sbx

    sbx Well-Known Member

    977
    Mar 21, 2010
    I would rather there weren't buoys, it would keep the crowds down.
     
  5. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    nice
     
  6. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    Basically you are saying that the only choice we have is human disaster or highly invasive state mechanisms infringing on human rights (what is developing now)

    do you expect anyone to believe those are the only choices? please expand.
    I have imagination, depth and am looking longterm, you are the one stating nothing can be done to remove our shackles. thanks for the optimism sparky
     
  7. sbx

    sbx Well-Known Member

    977
    Mar 21, 2010
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  8. crashflow

    crashflow Member

    8
    Nov 10, 2009
    You know I've been thinking for so long about how ****ed up things are that I am ashamed to admit I haven't spent much time trying to imagine how things might turn around and how I might help be part of a turnaround. I will give it some real thought, and I thank you for pointing that out.

    Imagining a future where things come together (and not just in some sort of magical way) is much harder (for me anyway) than imagining a future where things fall apart (as they tend to do). I'm thinking maybe something that could turn things around might have to do with one of the only forces on the planet that money can't buy.

    I dunno man. I dunno.
     
  9. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    nice sbx

    cflow, building a better tomorrow starts with good thoughts today.
     
  10. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    some people might say
    but MIS you said planet surfaces are dangerous long term and we should get to space ASAP....how is a volunteer collective going together it together enough to save humanity and get to space?

    I dont know, but its unlikely space is in the future for much unless we use an alternative energy as old dead plant juice seems played out.
     
  11. sbx

    sbx Well-Known Member

    977
    Mar 21, 2010
    You know teosinte? The wild ancestor of corn. It's the one on the left.

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    People made it into the one on the right, I'm pretty sure it was a volunteer collective that did it, too. That looks at least as hard as going to space to me. I mean, the best we can come up with today is a way to spray the one on the right with plant poison and not have it die.

    [video=youtube;dokLwszdUgY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dokLwszdUgY[/video]
     
  12. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Space isn't the future if we keep reducing funding to programs like NASA. If they had half the military budget, we would be walking on Mars by now.
     
  13. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    agreed, but NASA is not the only way to space, private space agencies, other nations, etc

    and sbx I cant tell if you are being sarcastic>?
     
  14. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Private agencies are great, but a lot of the money they receive is from NASA. No NASA, no funding.
     
  15. sbx

    sbx Well-Known Member

    977
    Mar 21, 2010
    dead serious. disagree?
     
  16. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    well
    I call BS

    NASA might be a memory in the distant future, but we will be in space, take that to the bank

    and sbx, I guess you are kinda right, might be some caveats, but as a whole I agree
    it is amazing that it can be sprayed with roundup and survive, but maybe not the best item to consume for health
     
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  17. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Sure it will be a memory, because in that distant future we will hopefully have a global group united in space research. But NASA will outlast you and I.