Wave Selection

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by Clowns-r-Us, Feb 5, 2016.

  1. Clowns-r-Us

    Clowns-r-Us Well-Known Member

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    Nov 18, 2015
    capecodcdog posted an offhand comment in the tread by sandblasters (you know you surf when...), relating poor financial decisions to poor wave selection -both can get you in trouble.

    So that gots me a-thinkin'. Each break is different, with its own characteristics and each swell is different adding a complex element to proper selection. Since the places I usually surf are beach breaks there is always a factor of randomness to wave selection to begin with.

    I find that these things help: the more you don't know a spot the more you should observe before even paddling out. Once you're out -don't take the first wave that looks "good". Don't take the first wave of a set, unless the conditions have determined that numero uno is usually the best one for this swell (which is rare in my experience). Never turn and burn for a wave you're not in great position for, immediately after a tough paddle out; and even if in great position -think about whether your noodle arms can get you up on this wave to begin with. Even a 2 minute respite can make all the difference.

    What do you clowns think? How have you managed to avoid poor selection?
     
  2. JohnnyCornstarch

    JohnnyCornstarch Well-Known Member

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    Feb 24, 2015
    Learn from others mistakes, or learn the hard way so you don't forget. It's hard to completely avoid making a bad decision at a new break- sometimes you just have to make sure you don't do it again. Hopefully you'e in shape enough to make the mistake and face repercussions, otherwise, you shouldn't be out at all.
     

  3. CBSCREWBY

    CBSCREWBY Well-Known Member

    Feb 21, 2012
    I have not managed to avoid poor wave selection... I am getting better... I still get impatient and sometimes paddle for the first wave in a set or turn and burn, miss, and get caught inside and take the rest of the set on the head...
    I at least have gotten better at not paddling for monster close-outs.
    When you first start surfing, be honest now, that big black line on the horizon is the easiest wave to see...
     
  4. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    I do a great job on wave selection all the time and I pick the best waves as well.
     
  5. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    Selecting waves is like selecting a girl....nice shape, nice boobies, etc.
     
  6. Sandblasters

    Sandblasters Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2013
    seen the first waves of the sets on beachies in florida that seem to always be the best with long period swell because the bombs are just going to closeout a lot of times. but the problem with taking the first wave is 2 thing...sometimes i just want to keep the wave going and ride in to the inside and then gotta paddle back out through waves. its never nice to catch the first wave of a set then look back and see monsters coming at you while you paddle back.
     
  7. Sandblasters

    Sandblasters Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2013
    btw who loves the feeling when youre aboot to get smash by a macking wave then get held under for 20sec or more and wreaked.
     
  8. CBSCREWBY

    CBSCREWBY Well-Known Member

    Feb 21, 2012
    If I just had a good ride and I'm paddling back out, It's sometimes pretty cool. If I see it coming and I'm prepaired and it's warm... Sometimes I dig that too. When it's cold and your tired and you didn't see it coming, hmmmm.. not so much.
     
  9. capecodcdog

    capecodcdog Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2012
    In general, in a 4 to 5 wave set, which is what I usually see, I like the next to last wave for the following reasons:
    1. The aforementioned problem of getting caught inside and drilled by the following waves (if you take the first wave) is reduced. However, you do have to deal with the "disabled motorists" who are inside because they didn't make the first waves.
    2. It seems that wave 3 or 4 are usually the best (more power). I'm not sure if this is due to a simplified application of "wave interference" (propagation), and thus the "constructive interference" is peak , or that the first waves move a lot of water inside so that you get a little more peak (jack).

    I think the two most important factors for wave selection are observation and experience. It pays dividends to watch a few sets before paddling out, and even taking time to see what is going on before charging (unless of course, you paddle out and you get a perfect wave and you are in position "A" (it does happen), and you must take it). It is also good to take mental notes when you are paddling back out.

    Also, note that sometimes the biggest waves are not the best, as they can "overdrive" (close out) or get "sectiony". Another thing I do is look down the beach at other peaks, and compare the breaking to the your peak, which can give some idea of the timing. One other thing to look for: you may have 2 different swells coming in at different angles, so you might notice when they coincide (constructively interfere) and be alert as this can create a slightly different wave or bowl section. I've been out on a day where the wave (peak) was predominately a left, and I was surfing with a bunch of goofy footers, but every now and then, I noticed that a perfect right would come in (which the other dudes weren't looking for), so I was ready for it.

    So, I think it is all about paying attention (observing), and "time in the water" experience.
     
  10. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Well put
     
  11. capecodcdog

    capecodcdog Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2012
    Thanks. I have found that wave selection and positioning are critical to progressing.
     
  12. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    I have my days, some good, some not so good
     
  13. Clowns-r-Us

    Clowns-r-Us Well-Known Member

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    Nov 18, 2015
    No worries screwby everyone gets impatient -in fact I literally remind myself after paddling out to not take the first wave I see.

    And your right Flurida -real hard to not make mistakes at a new break, reminds me of the time I ended up connecting with dry reef at a novelty wave right next to Poyopo. Avoid the rabid aggro crowd I says, there's only two guys on it I says, they're sitting far inside which must be safe I says, too good to be true I learned.

    Seldom you always do a great job on wave selection all the time.

    Barry -sometimes I need help with both lol.

    I enjoy a good washing machine takedown sometimes blasters -I've heard other surfers say the same -which confirms that we're all probably psychotic.
     
  14. Clowns-r-Us

    Clowns-r-Us Well-Known Member

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    Nov 18, 2015
    Yes very good point about the interaction of different swells. Few weeks ago at my beachie there were rights galore -I'm a regular foot so you'd think it'd be my type of swell -peaky, sizeable, fun, and all going in the "right"/ correct direction. Well my timing was off for some weird reason -got pounded going frontside 3 waves in a row. Slow to get up, slightly out of position, foot caught in leash -you know the excuses. But as you can imagine I was a little pissed. Here's a great swell, great conditions and I'm blowing every good wave (no shortage and no competition for these peaks but still). So I decided to wait for the rare lefts that were coming through occasionally. If my frontside is garbage today F#%K it -I'm going backside.

    Had to wait for a few minutes but I took off on the next left I saw, and sure enough -one of my best rides that day. If I hadn't paid attention to the swells I would probably have kept trying to force the rights.
     
  15. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    I got one of the best double ups of my life this winter all the time and it was great as well.
     
  16. Clowns-r-Us

    Clowns-r-Us Well-Known Member

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    Nov 18, 2015
    Double ups are always great all the time, as long as you do a great job on them as well.
     
  17. Sandblasters

    Sandblasters Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2013
    Which wave was it? That left of the main peak that breaks like every 10 waves and you wonder why no ones on it.
     
  18. Clowns-r-Us

    Clowns-r-Us Well-Known Member

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    Nov 18, 2015
    If you're looking from the beach its to the right of the main peak. And yea -it was breaking about that often now that I think about it. Usually no one on it at all. Looked really inviting. Suppper shallow. Learned real quick that Poyopo reef is simply a mad house of nonsense. Considering how many good waves are right in that area (even the left off Magnific Rock can be fun) I'm surprised everyone is willing to battle for such a small slice of real estate.
     
  19. Sandblasters

    Sandblasters Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2013

    Iindee........
     
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  20. Sandblasters

    Sandblasters Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2013