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Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by HelpHelpLetMeOut, Apr 11, 2017.

  1. archy 2.0

    archy 2.0 Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2012
    'Outside of school we have children's shows like Bill Nye The Science Guy's new Netflix show Bill Nye Saves The World geared towards grade schoolers further fuking up their young minds with garbage like this.
    I don't own a TV so to me this is totally unfukenbelievable.
    You parents on here better keep a close eye on the crap your kids watch.
    [video=youtube;CCOjssneQkA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCOjssneQkA&list=WL#t=305.275162[/video]
     
  2. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    The most dangerous thing about schools (and American society, for that matter) isn't unions... it's making all kids think alike. But that's what you get when all of their teachers think alike, too. We preach about "divergent thinking" but don't practice it as often as we should, let alone be able to teach it.
     

  3. kidde rocque

    kidde rocque Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    I agree.

    But just to play Devil's Advocate againe: What would happen in America if schools weren't generally "standardized"?

    Personally, I believe a large portion of our society would howl.

    You just can't make everybody happy.

    The schools you speak of exist; it's just a matter of whether or not you can afford them.
     
  4. HelpHelpLetMeOut

    HelpHelpLetMeOut Well-Known Member

    Mar 2, 2017
    Thats the thing KR in NJ (the land of mega high property taxes, paid by mortgage owners and renters) they are 'free'

    there are charter schools which have next to 0 oversight with their own appointed board and take all students and resort to lotto if they are overbooked

    or you have voc/tech/magnet school that has entrance criteria but is beholden to a local school board

    the charter schools really are a license for malfeasance and embezzlement

    just ask John ' vaporize billions' Corzine

    and it looks like the peoples' republic of NJ is about to invite ANOTHER Goldman-Sachs banker to the governors mansion

    but its different this time, lol
     
  5. kidde rocque

    kidde rocque Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    Wow, I didn't know this.

    Yeesh, I might need to do a queery to better understand what the heck is going on over there.
     
  6. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    Vocational high schools are public schools, funded in largest part county taxes (the same tax levy you pay that takes care of county roads, libraries, etc.), then by tuition charged to the sending school districts (the kid's home high school), then by State funding, then by the Feds, then by various grants we apply for annually... pretty much in that order.

    Vocational high schools' Boards of Education are appointed by the County Freeholders, who are elected. It's a county-wide system, under the rule of no local school board except the county's BOE. We still have to meet all of the public high school graduation requirements, subject to the same state and federal regs, and all that... because we're still a public school system receiving state and federal funding.

    What I'm talking about is high schools when I talk about theme-driven programs... not so much K-8, which I most certainly do believe need to build a foundation of "the basics." Theme based high schools can't do what they do without students coming in the door in grade 9 having that solid foundation. I think it's very important to the success of any kid, and makes financial sense from a family perspective, if kids start making career decisions in high school, instead of waiting until college to find out what they do and don't want to do for the rest of their lives. That's why a lot of high schools in NJ are building college programs within the high schools... kids can earn an Associates Degree by the time they graduate. There are a number of them in Monmouth County already, and they have huge benefits for kids and families.

    According to the polls (for whatever that's worth) Kim Guadagno will be our next governor. So no banker in the Gov's mansion this time.
     
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  7. CBSCREWBY

    CBSCREWBY Well-Known Member

    Feb 21, 2012
    NC Teacher here! Student performance 33rd, pay 46th, $ per student 48th. We do quite well with what we are given. My average class size is 32 students. I have a class of 40 beginning theater arts students this semester. 20 used to be considered a large class. I work a hell of a lot harder here than when I taught in NY.

    Our university system is incredible. We can pump out some basketball players! lol seriously Duke, Wake, NC State, UNC some great small private universities and a great UNC system overall.
     
  8. kidde rocque

    kidde rocque Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    Thanks for the primer LB.

    I understand the distinction between K8 and high school for application of the themed programs, and no doubt is a fantastic idea. Real world scenarios point out that very few HS kids have a single clue about career choices. Additionally, earning your Associates in HS is another great program, but I'm curious as to what actually happens to these kids after earning that particular degree. Case in point: my kid earned his Associates in a specialized HS. Yet, almost 6 years later, is still pursuing his Bachelor's and has changed course several times from a BA to BS along with choice of major. Job? Fuggedaboudit, I'm still on the financial book for everything lol.

    Please don't misunderstand my ramble, my intention is only to point out logical pitfalls and not to negatively counterpoint your statements. Only to bring rational discourse to an issue that seems to be as divisive as our current political climate.
     
  9. kidde rocque

    kidde rocque Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    Dude, are we talking about the same UNC that provided fake curriculum so they could continue churning out a basketball mill?
     
  10. CBSCREWBY

    CBSCREWBY Well-Known Member

    Feb 21, 2012
    Hence, the quote about basketball players... :rolleyes: No educator in NC is happy about that... That involved an extremely small group of "student" athletes. I would venture to guess that a majority of the "students" involved went to high schools in other states. No employer is going to look down on a person with a degree from Chapel Hill.
     
  11. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    I'd like to know where these kids land, too... but around here the programs are too new to have really solid data. One of the reasons why we haven't adopted a program like this is because the vast majority of our kids go on to 4 year colleges... an Associates isn't going to get them where they want to go ultimately. About 1/3 of our kids actually go on to become marine scientists, another 1/3 go on to be engineers, and the rest either go on to ROTC programs and military careers, or realize they don't want any of that, and go do something else... but at least they have the academic background to get into good schools.

    You're situation is actually more along the lines of the norm: The majority of high school graduates that go on to college change majors, change schools, and even change jobs once they graduate. I took a year off out of high school, got a degree in journalism, worked in that industry for two years, then went back to school to earn a teaching degree, and two masters degrees in education. All this, from a guy who once said, "I'll never spend another day a school again!" Now I've been going to school every day for the past 20 years. LOL!
     
  12. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
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  13. kidde rocque

    kidde rocque Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    I believe that one of the problems with the HS Associates degree program is that they seem to be specifically tailored for students to continue their educations in that particular state. This appears to be a money maker for the state, in that students earning these degrees have a very difficult time transferring those credits to Universities outside the issuing state.

    So while the program does a good job of encouraging students to further their education, it does a poor job because of lack of reciprocity. Not everybody wishes to remain in-state, and by continuing their education elsewhere, they often find that very few of their credits are eligible...which means they are back to Square One. 4 years minimum and a slew of debt.
     
  14. kidde rocque

    kidde rocque Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    Well, that Fitzpatrick guy graduated from Harvard. But he turned out to be a very mediocre QB.

    I guess the best athletes probably score the lowest on the Wonderlic.

    When they told (insert athlete here) that he'd be taking the Wonderlic test, he replied "I wonder what they be making me lick"
     
  15. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
  16. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    I had the hottest student teacher in 4th grade, had to stop wearing sweatpans because boneur.
     
  17. archy 2.0

    archy 2.0 Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2012
    [video=youtube;PlDt0PX4rVg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlDt0PX4rVg[/video]
     
  18. archy 2.0

    archy 2.0 Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2012
    [video=youtube;UkmA3Y6BFow]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkmA3Y6BFow&spfreload=10[/video]
     
  19. kidde rocque

    kidde rocque Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    They had arginine back when you were in the 4th grade?
     
  20. kidde rocque

    kidde rocque Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    Now let's talk about our boneur idol teachers, this talk about our kids is harshing my buzz.

    Mrs. Tucker, 2nd grade. I didn't even know what a boneur was, but I still had one.