What could be worse than GMO crops?

I do every single year man. And every single year it gets better. Sure its work and sure there is a learning curve, but just like anything else, once its rolling your all good.

Its taken me 3 years to get a yield that could sustain my household the whole growing season with a 20X40 plot. I'm 28, so that means I could have learned this from my parents rather quickly earlier in life, and been well on to sustaining food throughout the winters.

We just got 12 chickens to help fertilize, because the nutrients are running low. 60 bucks worth of chickens for years of fertilization, trumps buyings hundreds of dollars worth of soil/chemicals to nurture spent soil

I think its rather twisted how every other species on the planet learns how to survive before anything else, while we are wrapped up leaning on a crutch that is slowly cracking.

 

Your facts are not really facts without data. The FACT remains, there is no proof these toxins are transferred to the person/animal consuming the plants in any harmful level.
http://www.geneticliteracyproject.o...ving-gmos-are-harmful-not-if-science-matters/

Toxicity is all about the dose. This is basic stuff.
My biggest issue with the anti-GMO hippy crowd, is that they never seem to have taken a course in chemistry. Everything is made up of chemicals, it doesn't matter if it is naturally or synthetically created. All just chemical compounds. What is more important than worrying about if a chemical is natural or synthetic, is understanding if the chemical will actually harm us. That is why we study them. The anti-GMO would rather rely on faith based methods of choosing what they consume. They don't seem to worry about this:


Or this:
http://pesticidetruths.com/2011/11/27/organic-pesticides-cause-cancer-in-rats-and-mice-omri-listed/

Or this:

https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lhom/organictext.html

 

You are slipping quickly into senility, chich. You better build your bunker soon, cause your lizard overlords are coming for ya.

 

They are quite easily identifiable, as big organic has been making bank off their own advertising and labeling. Organic and GMO-free labeling is good marketing, and people are 100% free to buy these products as they like. Forcing labeling on products will insinuate they could cause harm, which could negatively impact the companies selling the products. We have already seen the fear and ignorance around GMOs in this thread. GMO labeling is anti-capitalism. As it stands, people have a choice. You can choose to buy products labeled GMO-free or organic anytime you want to.

 

There isn't a facepalm big enough to cover your comments.

 

I have always been weary of gmo, but only weary never more. I do by much more organic fresh foods though because to me they just taste in the various recipes I cook, especially organic grass fed beef and chicken. They are of much more high quality then say, perdue or stop and shop beef.

 

I don't specifically seek out organic, but I buy it if that is the most fresh and local option. IMO, that is all that should really matter. Support local farmers when possible, and buy the food that is the freshest.

 

Brew, they are indisputable facts, and you know that. Agreeing wouldn't jive with your ego, and that's fine. I don't have time to search out a load of peer reviewed/Brew approved research, and provide you links. Try applying a pinch of common sense to the discussion. I have an OPINION derived from common sense that might make you feel better: Lab grown, non herbicide, non pesticide doused GMO's, may be safe.

If folks want to gorge themselves on foods doused in toxic chemicals, so be it. Personally I'd like to avoid toxic chemicals altogether, and be well aware of when I'm at risk.

Brew, Can you grow a vegetable garden in sand, and why, or why not?

Brew, What are GMO's in the food industry designed for?

Brew, What are herbicides, and pesticides, and what are they designed for?

Brew, Where does cancer come from?

Some of you mentioned something to the tune of "food supply" or shortage thereof. Let's not forget the major food corps motivation in all of this. $Money ! The bottom line, and we are not it. If f*cking you equals more money for them, they won't think twice about bending you over, so break out the lube.
I'm well aware that proffit is a necessary element in business, and I'm also aware that business ethic is a thing of the past.

 

Thanks JayD. I have always grown my gardens organically, and been successful. I weed by hand (I know that's tough on a large scale), and plant certain things next to others to keep bugs at bay.

 

Your logic here is HIGHLY flawed. When companies screw up they get sued and/or lose market share which impacts their profit margin. That flies in the face of your statement.

 

Kudos Progress. I guess I started growing in my early 20's then started growing veggies when about your age :rolleyes. My point is not that I can't have success in my garden (I have some years that are great and some not so great due to weather, insects, and a nutria). Side note....I planted two rows of broccoli and two rows collards with fresh soil from compost pile and got them all nice. Next morning every plant was mowed to the ground by a nutria (fenced in). Anyway, I can veggies and to say that you could sustain your annual needs on a 20x40 would be tough...mine is 10x30. But this really is not my point. Sure we can grow our own organic veggies.

My point is there are 7 billion people in the world. There are many millions if not a billion or more that are starving. The food demand is increasing at a rate I am not sure we can sustain. This was my point with the deer population in earlier post.

Also, to those who buy organic. It is f'n expensive. Those folks are "capitalizing" on this movement as well. Again, not sure where I come down on GMOs but I can understand why it might be coming to this (capitalism and world demand).

Doug which plants do you use to ward off insects? I use merigolds but that is it. And weeding...man it takes a lot to do by hand but I do as well. One thing I do each fall into winter is mow/mulch leaves and spread a generous layer to garden which helps come spring when everything is busting up from the ground.

 

Translation: I have no data, nor do I have any facts.

Science > common sense

You neither read a single link I posted, nor did you comprehend anything I wrote. Almost every chemical, natural or synthetic, is toxic at some level. Your organic food is "doused" in toxic chemicals. You drink toxic chemicals (H2O) every single day. http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html Toxicity isn't a broad rating you put on specific chemicals. It is listed by a specific dosage. Until you actually understand that, we have nothing more to discuss.

 

I'm in the same boat cep. can't afford Whole Foods and the like. Do think it very sh*tty to try and conceal where our food sources are coming from and what they contain. I'm just another guinea pig for Monsanto. Some of these young surfers must be GMO'd up with all those big airs. That ain't natural sh*t man.

 

Money??!!?? Money??!!?? Did somebody call me???
BTW, dougie baby.....cancer doesn't "come" from somewhere. It is a natural sequelae to life itself, although a negative one. Chemicals indeed aid and abet, but even good chemicals and elements can kill you.
Personally, I love GMO crops--they taste better, and makes me money.

 

Highly flawed? I think you took that out of context a little. The method of operation for many corporations these days is, "how hard can we f*ck the consumer, and get away with it". I left out the get away with it part that flies in the face of YOUR statement.

How's your cable bill treating you? Pretty sweet? What are you going to do about it? - Spread em' (your butt cheeks).