what will you do if trump becomes president?

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by cepriano, Dec 14, 2015.

  1. trevolution

    trevolution Well-Known Member

    Feb 16, 2012
    legalize weed tax it, illegalize war tax it. BOOM done. no more world police or bull**** war on terror with state funded "terrorists"
  2. trevolution

    trevolution Well-Known Member

    Feb 16, 2012
    i got an undergrad in science and it is toilet paper, although i did go to UNCW which is a joke school and anybody that tells you they got a real education from there is full of crap. Was an A student all through highschool and graduated with high honors and a consistent 3.9 the entire 4 years. Biggest waste of money ive ever spent, all my degree got me was 2 dollars an hour more on a Government Salary scale. My advice now to my college self: drop out and start fighting fires 2 years early.
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  3. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Semantics. Direction is what it is, which is why what I posted is accurate in re direction of the ship of state.

    And, what channel have you been watching lately? We certainly have that problem.
  4. JayD

    JayD Well-Known Member

    Feb 6, 2012

    Slash bro....I think what you are saying is not far off from what most Americans would expect from Gov't. The reality is that our Gov't (both parties), piss our tax dollars away on $100 toilet seats and $75 hammers. The interstate system certainly helped commerce and the economy. We need solid infrastructure updating....with out question.

    I think that is why the Tea Party got so much traction. So the answer to your question is not higher taxes but appropriation of our tax dollars. Some people, me included believe that way to much is spent on Social Welfare (see Yankee's Thatcher quote)...While others feel that to much is spent on Military (which is one area that the Gov't is supposed to be there for us...all though they do a great job of wasting our tax dollars there too). The answer is Appropriation, not do less with more.

    Unfortunately, we have people like Elizabeth Warren and Mitch McConnell and everyone in between trying to run this country from the purview of their constituents back home and not the health of the country as a whole. So, every spending bill gets fattened up with the so called Pork. Now, look at out national debt...it is sickening really. But hey, tax us more that's the answer. No thanks.
  5. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    Your whole premise is wrong. I do not recall ever saying there should be NO taxes. That is your emotions controlling your thinking.....
    I am down for a fixed "flat tax" and a budget according to that. You need more?? Wait until next year budget.. Flat tax is the ONLY fair way of doing it--everyone, and corporations, pay, for example 16%. No exemptions, no deductions, no subsidizing--you are own your own. And at no time ever, allow for a flat tax to exceed 19%--it is not needed if managed correctly, and waste is minimized, an entirely possible goal.
  6. Slashdog

    Slashdog Well-Known Member

    May 22, 2012
    That's a start. The war idea would never happen, especailly with all the money being made (Congress approving tanks that the army didn't ask for so that they can keep enriching defense lobbyists/constituents). But legalized and taxed weed, with all proceeds going towards education- that is a great idea.

    A flat tax is not fair, and will not work in our economy, for this very reason- let's take an employee of a large corporation, Walmart. lets say you tax the corporation, the CEO, and the worker at 19%.

    The man working 50 hours at Walmart makes minimum wage and cannot access basic necessities, and thus uses government subsidies to feed and educate his children. Meanwhile, Walmart is turning a healthy profit. Effectively, the government is subsidizing Walmart's profit margin. Now if you tax them all at 19%, with no loopholes, the worker will need more welfare, just to survive, never mind profit; tax dollars will go towards that welfare. Meanwhile the corporation and CEO have more than they will ever need, after paying their 19%.

    So obviously, it's rather disingenuous to call a flat-tax 'fair.' If you have a single, widowed mother of 3 trying to survive on 30K, and a single man getting by on 75K, and you tax them both at 19%, you will be guaranteeing poverty for the former, while the latter can remain comfortably middle class. How is that fair?

    EDIT: I completely understand that by depriving corporations of profit, at a certain point, they will be unable to invest in new technologies and expansion, inhibiting technological progress, competition, and hiring. However, the healthy margins for that are severely distorted, seeing as how, in situations like Walmart's, we are guaranteeing poverty and welfare for the many, and success for the few.

    I entirely understand the role of corporations in human success and progression, but the talk around it is severely distorted today, when people are suggesting that we guarantee poverty for the many and success for the few.

    EDIT 2: Don't even try to tell me that the Walmart example is insignificant. They are the largest private employer in the U.S., so clearly this is a significant example.
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  7. trevolution

    trevolution Well-Known Member

    Feb 16, 2012
    make ever us citizen paddle out at Pipe on a XXL day, and the survivors scrounge for the remaining tax dollars.
  8. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    The only TV I watch is comedy central and Starz (Ash vs Evil Dead). I couldn't tell you what news channel is currently making up what lie. I do know that there isn't much democracy left.
  9. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    Most of what you itemize as "not fair" are choices made by individuals. My mindset is to NOT penalize one person for the very poor choices of another.
    Flat tax is the ONLY fair tax. And the economy will run perfectly well with it. The only time it will not is if there is a refusal to budget within tax provided funds, which is what is to be inferred from your "talking points", examples. All of your examples are the "narrative" of the Democratic Party. They are wrong, and they are a major, but not only, reason for an 18 Trillion dollar debt, "The Great Society" (??!!??). Not for long at the accretion rate.
    Merry Christmas.
  10. sigmund

    sigmund Well-Known Member

    Dec 7, 2015

    Verb (I think)

    To be cockslapped by a man with a large *****.

    Another "I want this man to represent me" Trump moment.
  11. trevolution

    trevolution Well-Known Member

    Feb 16, 2012
    I support a flat tax barry. The only reason is because with graduated tax system my fire checks get $4000 out of every $8000 I earn taken from them. With a flat tax, id be taking home at least $6000. All non firefighters are irrelevant and can go **** themselves. I rest my case for flat tax.

    Mind you that they are paying my checks with tax dollars. OH THE REDUNDANCY
  12. metard

    metard Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2014
  13. Panhandler

    Panhandler Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2015
    We should be like the countries that have great educational/ healthcare, tighten immigration and enforce our current laws. One a persons visa runs out, they go home until they get another. Then only allow tax paying citizens access to education and benefits. I'm fine having to pay a little more, but not to provide for those that pay little or nothing.

    There is a candidate that proposed taxing corporations whose business practices aren't in the best interests of America, such as manufacturing products overseas. I'm not on board for Trump for other reasons, but imagine how much tax revenue just that alone would generate. I think I could support any candidate that made "incentives" for companies to bring manufacturing back to the US. I'd also support ANY candidate that proposed term limits on all elected officials. Career politicians suck jingle ballz. My $.02 anyway.
  14. cepriano

    cepriano Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2012
    the problem with bringing manufacturing back to America is the money,and china.china and America are the 2 biggest job killers in the universe.

    like I was watching Anthony bourdain last night in cuba,talking about how they are about to open up tourism,and the main thing the locals don't want is American corporations coming and taking over,leaving all the Cubans as they were before we showed up.theres potential everywhere.like u can find a remote island in a 3rd world country with epic surf like indo,a country that doesn't have running water or electricity,but u can build a surf resort and charter surf cruises for a hefty price,like the Mentawai place does.instead of letting the locals run it,we come and take over,give nothing back to the community and jump ship when we become rich.and that's why other countries don't like us.its not even about bombing all the muslim countries,thats a whole other topic,but with jobs,its pretty ef'd up to open a business,say a hotel in cuba,and hire all americans instead of Cubans.cuba looks like 1953,probably because aint shyt happened to the country since then.
  15. sigmund

    sigmund Well-Known Member

    Dec 7, 2015
    Ha! The effects of getting schlonged by Trump. Watch out Hillary.
  16. Panhandler

    Panhandler Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2015
    That's digging awesome
  17. trevolution

    trevolution Well-Known Member

    Feb 16, 2012