Who are you voting for? Read this first!

Discussion in 'Mid Atlantic' started by wallysurfr, Oct 31, 2008.

  1. wallysurfr

    wallysurfr Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2007
    Dear Friends,

    I must preface this e-mail by saying this; I opposed the Iraq War from the beginning, I despise the Neo-Cons, I never voted for George Bush and if I am a Republican, I am a Lincoln-Roosevelt Republican, not a Bush-Cheney Republican. Though I hate John McCain, I love America more (Or at least, I "intensely despise" McCain). What do these things have to do with one another? Wel,l that's what I'd like to explain. Who is this man named Barack Hussein Obama? What does he stand for? And considering his many flip-flops (go to http://massdiscussion.blogspot.com/2008/06/collection-of-obama-flip-flops.html), what are his real positions? I suggest that we examine what Obama said he believed before he became a national celebrity and the truth became politically inconvenient. (http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2007/12/the_obama_questionnaire.html)

    Barack Hussein Obama Jr. was born to Barack Hussein Obama Sr., an agnostic Muslim communist, and Ann Dunham, an atheist Marxist feminist. Despite Obama's whitewashing of his fathers' true character (In "Dreams of My Father"), Obama Sr. abandoned him and his mother to pursue a degree at Harvard, turning down another offer that would have kept his family together. Obama Jr. was raised alternately by his mother and his mother's grandparents when the former ditched him to pursue her career traveling the world.

    While in Hawaii, Obama's early influences were communist revolutionary Frantz Fanon and black supremacist and socialist Malcolm X, both of whom he read with great interest and quoted with much approval. Obama's personal mentor while he lived in Hawaii was a man name Frank Marshall Davis, a communist and a revolutionary poet.

    Shortly after Obama moved to Chicago, he began attending Trinity United Methodist Church pastored by Jeremiah Wright. For over 20 years Barack Hussein Obama listened to sermons laced with racist "black liberation theology." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_liberation_theology) And though you may respond by saying that John Hagee supported John McCain, John McCain did not belong to Hagee's church or sit in Hagee's church pews for 20 years. Obama only disowned Wright after he was "found out" by the mass media. Obama at first denied ever hearing anything controversial in Wright's sermons and then admitted that he did in his "More Perfect Union" speech in Philadelphia in March 2008.

    Obama made some important connections while in Chicago, linking himself with the slumlord Tony Rezko who has been indicted on charges of wire fraud, bribery, money laundering, and attempted extortion. Obama paid him political favors while serving in the Illinois state Senate while Rezko got Obama a lucrative land deal.

    Obama also connected himself with Bill Ayers, founder of the Marxist terrorist "Weather Underground", and his wife Bernadine Dohrn, also a former leader of Weather Underground. Regardless of what the Obama campaign ads state, saying "Obama was only 8 years old when Ayers committed his crimes," that's not the point. Ayers and Dohrn are unrepentant terrorists, and Obama accepted money and support from them in his campaigns for the Illinois state Senate. Despite what the Obama campaign claims, Obama and Ayers are still on good terms and have met with each other numerous times post-911, with Ayers lamenting he didn't do enough terrorism.

    For those of you who think an inexperienced Obama will surround himself with good advisers, I ask you to read over his list of associates a few more times.

    On the international front Obama supported "democratic socialist" (politically correct communist) Raila Amollo Odinga of the ODM (Orange Democratic Movement), the son of communist former Kenyan Vice-President Jaramogi Ajuma Oginga Odinga (whom Obama Sr. supported), for the presidency of Kenya when he visited Kenya. (To read the ODM platform go to http://kenyavotes.org/node/107)

    The endorsements Barack Obama's campaign will not advertise are his endorsements from Kim Jong-Ill, Castro, Chavez, Ortega, Hamas, Achmenijad, Farrakhan, and the New Black Panther Party. If you don't know who any of these men are, I suggest you look them up.

    This brings me to the issue of "change." The word "change," along with "unity" are both by-word slogans of Marxist radical Saul Alinsky. ( http://fromtheduke.blogspot.com/2008/05/saul-alinsky-another-obama-mentor-from.html) To read Alinsky's book and Obama's textbook for change, "Rules For Radicals" go to the pro-Alinsky website if you like (http://latter-rain.com/ltrain/alinski.htm).

    So what is my point? Obama will bring change alright. Am I saying he will bring a Marxist or Communist revolution to America? In a sense I guess, but he won't call it that. Maybe they'll call it the generic version instead "democratic socialism."

    For those of you who don't believe me, an argument that you might relate to is this: go to http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm and ask yourselves this question, with a Democrat filibuster proof super-majority in the Senate, how much damage, I mean "change", will they be able to do.

    For those of you who find that prospect a potential paradise on Earth, remember Clinton in 1993-1994, NAFTA and the WTO. The Democrats are just as Globalist as the Republicans, the only difference is that the democrats would surrender our sovereign rights to the United Nations before acting. In a "World Democracy" such as the UN seeks to create, it will be like 200 wolves and 1 sheep deciding what's for dinner, I think you can figure out who's the sheep. (To read more on the globalism of Barack Obama, go to http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070701faessay86401/barack-obama/renewing-american-leadership.html)

    Another practical argument is this, with Barack Obama proposing a trillion dollars in new spending (go tohttp://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/2/14/obamas-trillion-dollar-spending-plan.html) and proposing "middle class" tax cuts, where is he going to get the money? Increased government spending, lower taxes? It sounds like the Bush-Cheney fiscal policy. Obama will not raise taxes on his rich friends (the Democrats are after all the party of the rich (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NmE4NWY3Yjc4YmJmMDJmOGU0ZmQwNGE0MjNlMDJiZTY=) So how will he raise the money for all this new spending? Probably by raising the capital gains tax. For those of you who say, "Great, 'soak the rich,'" ponder this question. With no trade barriers keeping American companies here (Obama will not change that, read his own campaign's assurances to the Free Traders), do you honestly expect them to stay here under those circumstances? Guess what that means? More jobs lost to overseas.

    In closing, I'm not asking you to vote for McCain, for the sake of my future, your children's future and your grandchildren or nephews and nieces future, I'm asking you NOT to vote for Obama (and a vote for McCain is just that). I will make this prediction now. If Barack Obama is elected President and the Democrats achieve a filibuster proof super-majority in the Senate, one of the first things they will do is pass amnesty for the 13-20 million illegal immigrants here (A Democratic majority will never let McCain get credit for this, even if he wants it). Those 13-20 million will not only depress the wages of American workers, they will also form a solid Democrat voting bloc for the foreseeable future. Obama's presidency will be the worst and most devastating in American history, and despite this fact, he will probably win reelection in 2012, having secured a lock on the presidency thanks to those grateful naturalized illegal aliens. The Democrats will continue to win election after election, driving this country further and further into the ground. By 2050 or sooner, America will be a minority-majority country (Not to sound "racist," but can we honestly expect America to remain a First World nation with a Third World population?), there will be no middle class to speak of, and the best situation we can hope for is to be a new "Brazil." That is, to be a highly stratified country with a small elite, no middle class and a large underclass, that is, of course, if America is even around by then. She may after all divide into various successor states like the Roman Empire did, with concentrated ethnic and immigrant populations forming new nations in various regions. If I sound like an alarmist, I am. The best situation we can hope for is 4 years of McCain and someone new on the horizon to turn things around (And I'm not talking about Sarah Palin, Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton). This election may hold the fate of America in its hands. I am a forgiving person, but our posterity may not be. Let us not imagine the day when they curse our names for what we did to them by our action or inaction.

    Thank you for reading.
  2. OBlove

    OBlove Well-Known Member

    Aug 29, 2006

    not sure what to say to all of this? i really want to go surf? i want to move to another country? who knows? probally just a cold one i guess....

  3. kelly slater

    kelly slater Well-Known Member

    Apr 27, 2008
    amen... damn liberal media
  4. LoveCore

    LoveCore New Member

    May 30, 2008
    Living in Delaware and attending the University of Delaware, I am surrounded by people who are head over heels in love with this guy. I cannot see eye to eye with them. I fail to see why he is so popular and how he still has such a huge following despite all of this factual information being out there, available to the general public. Its like He has them brainwashed. It is very troublesome. I do not look forward to the results of this election either. Kudos to gathering all this info and putting it together nicely. I'm already with you.
  5. jbird

    jbird Well-Known Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    This is the same blind paranoid crap that got Bush elected for another 4 years. Yeah, let's continue that trend while we watch joblessness go up and our savings disappear and nobody can afford a mortgage anymore. I don't know about you, Mr. Deep pockets but I can stand a little of the wealth being spread around.
  6. TDTubes

    TDTubes Well-Known Member

    May 30, 2007
    Don't vote for him because his middle name is Hussein...What a bunch of BS. He may not be the best candidate but he is much better than the war mongral McCain. That essay sounds like typical far right scare tactics, you have been listening to Rush Limbaw too much. Having Obama in the White House will improve foreign sentiment of our country so much it is incredible. This alone will bring in more foreign investment and additional efforts from all over the world to help us beat those American hating terrorists. McCain/Palin will just increase the hate from outside our borders and who knows what McCain will do with his finger on the trigger.
  7. scotty

    scotty Well-Known Member

    Aug 26, 2008
    Love the "first world vs. third world" country part.

    "America will be a minority-majority country (Not to sound "racist," but can we honestly expect America to remain a First World nation with a Third World population?)"

    Thanks for the assurance that you're not sounding racist.
  8. jnash

    jnash Member

    Jul 17, 2008
    You are indeed entitled to your opinion and after reading you entry and all corresponding web links I have come to the conclusion that what I have read is just that....an opinion. I won't take the time to sit here and refute your post as you have made some good points but I will say Barack Obama "In my opinion" is not a threat to our way of life in this country. To me Obama represents us. Us being young Americans, Americans that have been raised by baby boomers and post baby boomers in the computer era of our relatively young country. No baby boomer envy's us No old timers envy us, the day and age we have grown up in has been fast paced as far as technology, moral change, production, consumption, communication, privacy(the lack there of) etc.... many old ideas no longer apply the way they once did and Its time for change, maybe not revolutionary change but radical change. We need to change the role we have played in the world and understand that Democracy doesn't work in all situations or nations. Its time for China to step up and start acting like the world leading superpower that they have become and attempt save the world by spreading foreign aid to all corners of the globe, while spending outrageous amounts of money thus allowing The United States to cut our debt owed to China by offering support (not full military obligation). I don't believe Obama stands for socialism more than any other politician and we must understand that some of the "Socialist activities" our government has been participating in have been brought on by Capitalism and the producer/consumer cycle we are so heavily invested in. Federally owned banks have been an inevitability we have been facing since 1929 and are not the bastard child of any one political party. Sure Obama probably will raise taxes but so will John McCain, we've got to pay for $850,000,000,000 worth of banks and homes the federal govt just invested in. I don't believe Obama will turn out to be some revolutionary communist but I do believe he sees thru the old concept that the impoverished lower class are a necessary byproduct of capitalism. I believe Obama has a strong grasp that the Middle Class creates the Upper Class and not the opposite. We are a country full of regular people almost incapable of a true revolution with the exception of a coup de' etat and with that I feel secure in my decision to Support Barack Obama for President. As always opinions are like a$$h0les......everybody's got one!

    Obama/Biden 08

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  9. Lumpy

    Lumpy Well-Known Member

    Aug 28, 2006
    Because Obama has great bull****ting abilities means that foreign sentiment will improve???

    Because Obama has great bull****ting abilities means that more foreign investment will come into the country??

    The hate for the country has no party lines....it is all based on the jealousy of our freedoms and rights and our wealth...including our freedoms and rights to vote for whomever we want.

    Thank you....thank you very much..
  10. Db2k5

    Db2k5 Well-Known Member

    Feb 17, 2007
    I'm not sure you really know what that means. Karl Marx also wanted to spread the wealth around. There is a reason socialism doesn't work.

    P.S. and don't try to tell me that it's not socialism, like every other lib out there. If you don't think he is socialist, than you my friend, don't live in reality.
  11. wallysurfr

    wallysurfr Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2007

    I was interested in your post and the points you were making until I read the last two lines and all went to nil.

    To the last few people who have posted: Do you know what The United States of America was founded on? Do you know what The Constitution states?

    I don't know where you are from but where I am from there are too many families that have no motivation to go out and MAKE a living. They get their check from the gov every month and the sick thing is they live in nicer houses and drive newer/nicer cars than me! Obama says he will give a tax CREDIT to over 90% of the population, what he doesn't tell you is that almost 45% of the population doesn't pay income taxes! That means, when you graduate from college and get a job and work hard and save your money for YOUR family, you will be essentially writing out a check to that family around the corner who has no motivation to go out and make a living. Yet, they still keep having children they can't afford and their children's children are starting to have babies that THEY can't afford. There are families in this country that are THIRD generation wellfare!

    Now, I believe in helping people out when they are in need. Help them get back on their feet. But when the gov takes money from my paycheck and GIVES it to these people who have NO intention of getting back on their feet, I have a problem with that and you will too when you see how much you pay in taxes once you start your career. And for those of you who already have an established career, how can you sit back and agree with the spending that Obama has planned for us? All that spending with tax cuts? Not possible! Something will give and I gaurantee it will be us!

    His infomercial the other night is a precursor to the type of spending that he will impose on this country. If you know anything about economics then you know that, within a recession, if you raise taxes and "spread it around" to all the people who are on wellfare then you push the recession into a depression and that's a fact for anyone who has studied The Depression. Let those people go out and get a job, start a small business, become and entrepreneur, it's called free enterprise, not free money! That is what this country is founded on isn't it?
  12. BeachCruiser01

    BeachCruiser01 Well-Known Member

    Sep 14, 2007
    Voting for Obama

    As a former member of the Republican't party, I am voting for Barack Obama. The past eight years we have seen the dollar lose 40% of it value, gas as double in price (it was 1.35 a gal. when Bush took office). I voted for and volunteered for the first term Bush. But everything the Republican't has touched has turned to crap. Katrina, cutting taxes during a war, enourmous gov't spending increases without oversight, wall street meltdown, the cluster*%($ that is Iraq. Need I go on?
    As for McCain, his campaign has been bipolar at best. One minute Obama is an honorable man, then hes a socialist, then a communist, then its back to, he's not ready to be president "yet". The charge that Obama is inexperienced went out the window with Palin's pick. How can anyone take the McCain campaign suggestion that she is the most qualified person in the country to be VP? What about Governor Linda Lingle of Hawaii? 2 term republican, well liked by the mostly non white masses and governs over more people and a bigger budget than Alaska. But then again she isn't a bible thumping theocrat.
    But seriously the quote "(Not to sound "racist," but can we honestly expect America to remain a First World nation with a Third World population?)" That quote alone should discredit the entire post. We are a nation of immigrants. When people were fleeing Europe, they weren't the rich "First Worlders" , they were the "third world" white people of Europe.
    I could go on but the bottom line is John McCain was the guy that the Republicans thought was too old back in 2000 when he first ran. Replublican'ts have gotten it wrong on everything in the last 8 years and McCain was right there with them, supporting Bush.
    Vote Obama, at least he will try and keep a living ocean for us to surf in.
  13. Zansurf

    Zansurf Well-Known Member

    May 12, 2008
    Dude i don't buy that jealous of our freedom crap for one second. Terrorist groups don't exist out of jealousy dude. Believe it or not we cause our own problems in the middle east, and you know how? This unwavering support for Israel. We realized the instability in the region a long time ago so what did we do? We backed the guys with the biggest guns, that is, the nuclear bomb. So basically we sit over here and talk up Israel as the only stabilizing force in the middle east, but if anything we are just trying to cover our asses with the guys who are most likely to win. Well groups like Al Qaeda set out to show us they don't need the biggest guns to show that they are pissed off and won't be pushed around. I'm in no way supporting terrorism, but trying to but a little rational though into the situation. I can't stand you people with the "America is the greatest country ever" stuff. I think the America is the greatest country FOR US!!!! I wouldn't want to live anywhere else but part of being a patriot is questioning your government and making sure it's doing the best job it can. Which brings me to my reason for backing Obama. His plan for a diplomatic foreign policy is the best chance we have at repairing relations with countries like Iran and North Korea because unlike Bush he is willing to have a conversation, and heaven forbid compromise to find a solution to our past problems. If all we do is call people out on a national stage and make threats we will continue to see threats of violence. As far as all the communist, socialist talks are concerned, it seems a bit paranoid to me but hey if it happens ill be there to take Obama down just like everyone else.
  14. Volcom732

    Volcom732 Member

    Jun 16, 2008
    Mr. Roboto

    John McCain looks like Mr. Roboto, the guy can't even lift his arms, so he without a doubt cannot go for a surf. More importantly, the fact that he cannot move his arms in an un-robot-like manner means that he will most likely pass away during his four years in office. (actually a 33% chance statistically that will occur) and then we will have Mrs. I read any and all magazines, Mrs. I'll have to get back to ya, Mrs. I can see Russia from my house, Mrs. "Joe Sixpack". Mrs. Bipartisan Maverick running the god damn country. At least if Obama goes, we will have a person who has real experience, and not someone who just got their passport last year. Screw McCain and Nailin Palin (a new porno coming out) and go democratic.
  15. oipaul

    oipaul Well-Known Member

    May 23, 2006
    Wow. My IQ just dropped like 10 points after reading that. You are the reason the Electoral College exists.
  16. wallysurfr

    wallysurfr Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2007
    I am not opposed to immigrants, my grandmother came here from Sweden. I am, however, against ILLEGAL immigrants and that is not racist at all. They are breaking the law and as US citizens we should want laws enforced.

    Have we been attacked since 9/11? Take a look at a chart for The Dow Jones Industrial Average over the past 50+ years and you tell me where you think it "should" be trading. It's pretty obvious that everything started becoming over inflated during the Clinton administration, the same president who lifted the regulations on the banks and FORCED the banks to lend to people who CAN"T afford a house. That is what caused the environment for this type of CORRECTION (not crisis).

    The dems say that the past eight years have been the worst, yet the market hit multiple all time highs during that time and we still haven't been attacked since 9/11. But according the Obama/Biden that will all change during the first six months of his term. "Mark my words"
  17. Zansurf

    Zansurf Well-Known Member

    May 12, 2008
    What about McCain's claim he wants to buy up all the bad mortgages? The government owning the mortgage to my house sounds pretty socialist to me. Socialism hasn't worked because it was forced on people in the past. The true dominance of socialism will only arise when the lower classes rise up in their position as the working class to realize their power in the production of goods and services. It is an idea based primarily on the industrialization that took place during the 18 and 1900's. The role of technology will one day stomp out any true possibilty for a marxist society and the true nature of past communist regimes will be realized. They were facist dictatorships under the guise of standing up for the worker. In a true marxist state the poverty that existed in the former soviet union and other countries doesn't exist in the utopian society described by Marx.
  18. wallysurfr

    wallysurfr Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2007
    The reason "Mr. Roboto" moves his arms that way is because they have been broken multiple times while being tortured when he was a prisoner of war, defending this country, our rights and our freedoms. So we can go surfing whenever we want on a $600 piece of foam without even thinking twice about it.
  19. StuckinVA

    StuckinVA Well-Known Member

    Jul 23, 2007
    So true...

    I concur. Enough with the scare tactics. Stop being afraid.

    How can the neo-cons be trusted with our well-being when the only attack on our soil in the last 40+ years occurred on their watch. They knew there was a threat and chose not to take it seriously. If you want to be afraid, you should be frightened of them remaining in charge.
  20. BeachCruiser01

    BeachCruiser01 Well-Known Member

    Sep 14, 2007
    Current "socialist" systems in the United States:
    - K-12 educational system.
    - State College system.
    - Police protection and in major metro areas, Fire Protection. EMTs if they aren't private.
    - Parks, federal, state and local.
    - Roads & Highways.
    - Social Security
    - Medicare
    - Hoover damn power generation.
    - Phone and electrical power delivery to rural areas.

    Current systems that are socialist leaning:
    - Farm subsidies.
    - Private colleges who get research grants.
    - Airline subsidies
    - Anything that is a "public-private" partnership. An example: Nuclear power plants being insured by the federal government because no one else will insure them.
    - Federal gov'ts buy into the banking system.
    - Feds buy into AIG, the largest insurer in the world. Think I could get a break on my car insurance?

    So the next time you drive down the road (public money) and surf the break that was recently repleneshed(public money). Or drive into the park at Indian River Inlet (public money) and surf the beach that has been replenished with sand paid for by the Army Corps of Engineers (public money).
    Just remember somebody else paid for those things with tax dollars miles away from where you are surfing.