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wow dude way to examine both candidates in a fair and open minded way. you can find equally as much **** on john mccain if you wanted to... personal opinions are bound to change over time as people become more informed and inspired.... its not flip-flopping, its acquiring knowledge. everyone has beliefs that change over time, ive redifined my values as i have gained a better understanding of my personal convictions and hopefully you have also. you give insight to baracks early life and inspiration when he was young and say nothing about the man he has become. i get the feeling that you are basically saying that people should stick to their original convictions even if their is a logical reason to change, which by the why is the reason were still in iraq and economy in the ****ter, because we have a president who is unwilling to reflect on a situation and reshape his ideas to accomandate new needs. the truth is people need to be as informed as possible. we have people comparing obama to marx becames he wants to "spread the wealth around" which is a phrase they probably heard in the news and have absolutely no idea what socialism really is. db2k5 and others who think obama is this socialist leader why dont you try reading up on socialist doctrines like the communist manifesto or something. check the 10 planks and tell me if obama is a truely a socialist. and i know communism is the same as socialism but communism is a form of socialism and the communist manifest was also written by karl marx. anyway this really wasnt supposed to turn into a obama lovefest i only wanted to try and give a little bit of truth to some of the claims but honestly what i really wanted to say is that all voters need carefully align themselves with the candidate that truely represents their opions which every party they happen to be in and inorder to do this it would be helpful to get a real nonbasis breakdown of the candidates. check out this website for some real facts, no opinions, no preferences, just a quick break down of the the canidates stances on the issues. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7436221.stm .....this website will take about 5 minutes to read its real short and compares in a couple of sentences the two canidates stances on some key issues like iraq, the economy, taxes, health insurance, education, etc.... voting is a personal responibility that way way way way too many people take forgrated by just listening to public babble instead of actually doing some real research ive heard so many ignorant opinions on both sides its retarted.

 

Not gonna lie

Obama, is a socialist... and it wont be too long before he takes away our guns, and our free speech... I'm scared... and i wanna surf

 

this just in.... Obama has an aunt living in boston illegally..... if the liberals/press would have researched this guys background 1/10 the amount they did on "joe The Plumber" he would not be the nominee and probably would be sitting in Guantanamo with the rest of his cronies...

ks

 

Thanks. That WAS a concise summary. Off topic here, ironic that you have to rely on foreign news source to a simple issue summary that you arent completely skeptical about. Fox News, CNN, etc. come so much baggage.

 

Socialism is a traditionalism phase into communism. So, China and Russia were very worth examples.

 

i can understand how economically, you personally would go to McCain, since your job caters to the upper class. The upper class, however, as a major minority population, does not consume most consumer products. So, most are not dependent in this way.

 

Your right about the first part, but the authoritarian governments of those countries do not follow with the true nature of a transformation into communism. The government would be formed by the lower class not by military, or single authoritarian rulers. Like i explained like six pages or so ago, communism comes about when the working class realizes it's control over capitalist markets, through it's role as the production of goods. When the working class rises to rebel against the powers of the bourgeoisie, the majority of the population will take control over the means of production along with the government institutions that backed the upper class. This creates a small strong centralized government of proletariat workers who evenly distribute the yields of production. Eventually the need for government becomes arbitrary and ownership of property is autonomous. This is the eventual form of government we would maintain until the end of time. Had this taken place in any former socialist countries, you would have seen a swift decrease in poverty, but instead you saw the socialist governments of eastern Europe collapse.

 

What a shame. . .

What a shame it is to hear that the people who really know how to run this country are all too busy surfing.

 

Being a history major I have always had to debate whether or not the electoral college was a good thing. During this election I really understand why our founding fathers thought we were to stupid to do it alone. I go to a school that has mostly a minority population, and the most common answer i get when i ask them why they are voting for Obama i get "because he is black and we need a change". As for the black people that try and say they like his ideas, I brought up all of McCains views and acted like they were Obamas, and they didn't even know. That is sad that ignorant people like that can even vote. Before a black candidate was running these people didn't even know what a Democrat was, oh wait, they still don't.

 

It is a surprise to you that elections are popularity contests? Some popularity is based on the real issues, other popularity is based personality and superficiality. People want to vote for people that they can relate to.

Some people will vote for Obama just because he is black. Others will not vote for Obama, just because his is black. This is not a surprise.

 

surf'

who cares just surf

 

pretty much half the population that are voting for obama doesn't even no what he's standing for. hes black. he is a good speaker. he promises change. and says things that people want him to say. who wouldn't vote for someone that would make all your dreams come true? hes all fake. thats what i think. and this forum is getting kinda long.....lets talk about the upcoming swell instead. im just stoked that i get to use my new board this week!

 

From poverty to lower middle class

After reading every post on this thread I couldn't help but chime in. First things first, I am disgusted to hear how rascist some of the people in the line up are. Next, much of the communist ideal came from the bible........read Acts 2:42-45 and Acts 4:32-37. Interesting how far modern Christianity has come from this original ideal........very self-serving.

Here's another one for those who would vote based on Kelly Slater's opinion. Is he actually Kelly Slater? My apologies if you are but I could have signed on as Obama himself if I wanted to.

Here's a shocker, as stated previously in multiple posts, Obama, Palin, and McCain support many socialist policies. Here's another example, Palin hasn't been very concerned about socialism given that she passes wealth directly from oil and gas companies to the people of the state of Alaska.

Now for the kicker. For those of you who think Obama's tax cuts will go directly to lazy people who don't want to work. I am not doing that great financially but through hard work I am getting along okay. Despite a recent foreclosure and bankruptcy things were once much harder. I was the recipient of food stamps, federal student aid and paid no taxes. I worked 50 - 60 hours each week and attended College. I thanked whatever socialist commie that someone enacted the EITC because without it I wouldn't have been able to support my three person family. I have worked my way up to lower middle class and no longer qualify for any of these "horrible socialist wealth spreading programs".........to my dismay. Maybe if the government would have sunken that 700 billion into the working class I could have gotten a 20,000 grant or low interest loan to fix the mold infested house that was unsafe to move my now family of four into. Much thanks to Obama and McLame for that one.

Now I can only hope that this is another one of those times. You know...... when you had an idea you never developed only to find out someone else has decided to. BTW....That idea was infiltrate the system from the inside to bring about the fundamental changes necessary to change our antiquated system of government into a more sustainable and functional system. I hope for this because I truly believe our government and financial system are entirely corrupted. The only variable allowing it is the so-called majority that has been led to believe we live in the best of all possible worlds and it doesn't get any better.

 

All of the folks posting who are delivering the standard rhetoric on "socialism" and "social programs" need to have:

A. A devastating illness or injury that wipes out your life savings

B. Become dependent upon Social Security Disabilty or Supplemental Security Insurance and Medicare or Medicaid, because said life savings were wiped out paying for your medical care

C. Need to decide between adding another board to your quiver or purchasing your prescriptions for the month

D. Or you need to do something other than play video games, masturbate yourself into a froth and go surfing, such as get a volunteer job in a nursing home, go to Haiti, work with the elderly, disabled and poor to get some empathy - something sorely lacking in this country

Chances are, your immature attitudes towards things like universal healthcare and social programs would turn around really quickly.

Until then, I suggest seeing a colorectal surgeon to pull your head out of your ass. And do the rest of the country a favor and stop running up your credit cards, pay your bills on time, and stop taking out mortgages and home equity loans to buy Hummers with your mini-salaries for McMansions. It's YOUR fault we needed a $700 billion bailout, not the poor, elderly and disabled.

PS - If you have 500 boards in your quiver, and you ride 5 of them - you're an idiot that needs to be shot and is part of the problem.

 

Barryrob -

Don't even try to discuss socialism with anyone who throws the word around, because you know if anything catastrophic ever happened to them, they would be the first ones with their hands out, palms up. Suddenly it would be all about entitlement, and less about the evils of socialism. LOL.

I'm an RN, and I've seen it more times than I care to discuss. I am also a survivor of a major accident and have myasthenia gravis. I've seen it from both sides of the bedpan, so to speak.

Karma is a wonderful thing. It catches up to everyone eventually.

Chris

 

Barry, You used the welfare program for the reasons they should be used...to help people attain a higher standard of living through hard work. As a conservative,I support welfare for that purpose but I also support personal responsibility over collect responsibility. The problem as we all know is the human nature dictates that a freebie is easier than hard work and unfortunately not everyone has the ethics that you do. The biggest problem I have with Obama are his lack of experience and his class warfare stances. I would feel much more at ease if he said something to the effect of 'let's find the money in the existing budget instead of automatically going to the 'soak the rich' position. Until we start living within our means as a country we are never going to get out of the mess we are in (and please don't lay all the blame on Bush, he had a hand in for sure but Dems are just as guilty).

 

1. The people who should be running for elective office, aren't. They want no part of the media inquisition into their past, their families, their friendships, the crazy crap that they did (that we ALL did) when they were in their 20's....

2. Thus, we're "led" by professional politicans & lawyers, the high majority of whom are in the top 1% of wealth in this nation.

3. Thus, there is no relationship between the working-class electorate & the wealthy elected. Although the pols will make you think that there is (witness the Joe the Plumber BS) through spin & deep BS.

Both these guys are professional pols. They both have flaws.

If Obama is elected, our rep as a nation will slowly heal & improve. He won't be able to get everything he wants, just as with any sitting president, due to the provincial clowns in Congress who have their own agendas & who always jam the president up on his agenda.

If McSame gets elected, we go on with 2 wars at huge taxpayer expense. We go on with tax breaks for the wealthy. We go another 4 yrs of W mode.

I've just had enough of W, and thus McSame by extension. One man's opinion.

Not a rabid Obama man, it just burns me up to see how America has stumbled & fallen on our arse in terms of our power in the world. I travel a lot & I see the repercussions of W everywhere - - he is despised in some places, a joke in others & generally considered a terrible representative of the great American people.

Anyways, some of the posts here have been intriguing & very interesting, so thanks to those who took the time to post intelligent stuff, I enjoyed reading all views from all angles.

 

It's funny Yankee that you bring up intelligent posting but yet you call McCain silly names.......

 

You should not have tried to argue that dude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QhJJBfwJME&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODaxZSz3Awg

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=168561&title=indecision-2008-west-virginia

You can find just as many dumb white people as you can dumb black people. Stupidity transcends race, gender, age, and apparently has infected the swellinfo forums.