wow dude way to examine both candidates in a fair and open minded way. you can find equally as much **** on john mccain if you wanted to... personal opinions are bound to change over time as people become more informed and inspired.... its not flip-flopping, its acquiring knowledge. everyone has beliefs that change over time, ive redifined my values as i have gained a better understanding of my personal convictions and hopefully you have also. you give insight to baracks early life and inspiration when he was young and say nothing about the man he has become. i get the feeling that you are basically saying that people should stick to their original convictions even if their is a logical reason to change, which by the why is the reason were still in iraq and economy in the ****ter, because we have a president who is unwilling to reflect on a situation and reshape his ideas to accomandate new needs. the truth is people need to be as informed as possible. we have people comparing obama to marx becames he wants to "spread the wealth around" which is a phrase they probably heard in the news and have absolutely no idea what socialism really is. db2k5 and others who think obama is this socialist leader why dont you try reading up on socialist doctrines like the communist manifesto or something. check the 10 planks and tell me if obama is a truely a socialist. and i know communism is the same as socialism but communism is a form of socialism and the communist manifest was also written by karl marx. anyway this really wasnt supposed to turn into a obama lovefest i only wanted to try and give a little bit of truth to some of the claims but honestly what i really wanted to say is that all voters need carefully align themselves with the candidate that truely represents their opions which every party they happen to be in and inorder to do this it would be helpful to get a real nonbasis breakdown of the candidates. check out this website for some real facts, no opinions, no preferences, just a quick break down of the the canidates stances on the issues. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7436221.stm .....this website will take about 5 minutes to read its real short and compares in a couple of sentences the two canidates stances on some key issues like iraq, the economy, taxes, health insurance, education, etc.... voting is a personal responibility that way way way way too many people take forgrated by just listening to public babble instead of actually doing some real research ive heard so many ignorant opinions on both sides its retarted.