Wilderness PR Under Threat!!

Discussion in 'Global Surf Talk' started by archy 2.0, Nov 17, 2016.

  1. smitty517

    smitty517 Well-Known Member

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    Oct 30, 2008
    Bahahahahaha
     
  2. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Wourd.

    #9/12
    Wait, what? Same archy?

    As far as petitionne, I'd SS if I could.

    #9/12
    #SS
     

  3. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    o bagus
     
  4. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Oh wait, now I get it, old thread. Now I feel like DP quoting myself.

    o me

    [video=youtube;vc-TsvGSe0c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc-TsvGSe0c[/video]
     
  5. nynj

    nynj Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2012
    Oh Shelldonné
     
  6. HelpHelpLetMeOut

    HelpHelpLetMeOut Well-Known Member

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    Mar 2, 2017
    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    the phorumme has been like a frat boy echo chamber with that guy
     
  7. kidde rocque

    kidde rocque Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    You mean like Zuckerberg tried to pull off in Kauai? Hypocritical piece of DUNG


    Yet, you fail to mention what turd bucket you reside in. And, to top it off, nobody knows a single thing about you. You are the definition of a coward.
     
  8. JawnDoeski

    JawnDoeski Well-Known Member

    Aug 11, 2014
    This thread reaks of Fumunda cheese but Archy out there in Monmouth County started it
     
  9. rodndtube

    rodndtube Well-Known Member

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    May 21, 2006
    Not quite as busy as in years past. BTW, they are shutting down this spring. Several other restaurants around Rincon closed doors during the past year (and a few new ones opened up), but overall it is a closing trend. Food trucks are taking over.
     
  10. rodndtube

    rodndtube Well-Known Member

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    May 21, 2006
    Drug shipment via PR is really old news. It was huge in the 1960s and probably every decade since then.
     
  11. rodndtube

    rodndtube Well-Known Member

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    May 21, 2006
    Ramey AFB, a former SAC base, was shuttered in the early 1970s for other reasons. Roosevelt Roads Navy Base remained open until Vieques & Culebra ceased to be ship bombardment practice fields (1990s?) ... one too many bombs flew astray of their targets.
     
  12. rodndtube

    rodndtube Well-Known Member

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    May 21, 2006
    Wilderness really isn't at risk from what I can see. It was at risk about 12 years ago and the project was mothballed in 2008 with the loan crisis crash. Now the development has shifted from the entire Wilderness sector to around the southern rivermouth bay point and about a kilometer south. Breakwaters and shore reef blasting were part of original plans -- either or both would likely affect wave quality at Gas Chambers and Crashboat to the south.
     
  13. rodndtube

    rodndtube Well-Known Member

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    May 21, 2006
    The Section 936 program provided big incentives for manufacturing and industrial development on the island starting back in the 1950s. The program ended (or started winding down as it was a 12 to 15 yr. program from start-up of an investment to end of the tax incentive) in the mid-1990s. There was a period when all the B&L contact lenses, nylon hosiery were manufactured there, tons of pharma, blue jeans, etc. The complete phase out of the program coincided with the 2007 financial crash.

    There are a lot of hard working people in PR -- the professional mass migration to Orlando the past few years has been huge -- along with other sections of the USA. But there has also been a corrupt political class full of electoral employment spoils and more.
     
  14. archy 2.0

    archy 2.0 Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2012
    Don't know bout that. Last Tuesday it was a 30 minute wait for a table for two. Another 30 minute wait for food after ordering. Was there this past Tuesday and it was f'kn packed. Equal amount of tourists and locals. It's a unique and popular restaurant for the area. It's for sale and will close if not sold for the sole reason that the owner was offered a more lucrative endeavor in Wyoming.
    I don't think the food trucks are taking over so much. Half the time they are closed on peak days at peak hours.
     
  15. archy 2.0

    archy 2.0 Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2012
    Also come to think of it, in the past (several years ago) 110 Thai was only open for dinner 3-4 nights a week. Now they are open for lunch and dinner 6 days a week.
     
  16. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    Two of my high school chums (I lived in PR first 18 years of my life; grew up there) are part of that migration of professionals. They are both physicians and they relocated to Dallas. In fact, one is the very first friend I ever had at age 4 or 5. We used to play cowboys and indians, cops and robbers, etc. He lived right next door to my parents home.
    And you are correct, there are a lot, a very lot of hard working people there. However, percentage wise, they are a minority, as both poverty, lack of education, lousy jobs, etc, all the ingredients suited to unemployment, drugs, corruption, rule the day. And it has been so since the 1960s, when Luis Munoz Marin was governor. Now, they are 75 Billion in debt, and looking for an easy way out. But the way the relationship with the USA is constructed, they cannot claim bankruptcy, they have to work their way out of it. Independence is the sole avenue to dismiss their debtors. And then their real pain will begin.......
     
  17. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    Old news simply because it has been happening for a long time. However, since mainland USA interdiction accelerated, shipments via PR to USA from South America has accelerated as well. The present director of the PR state police, a former Director of FBI in Miami, has been unsuccessful in getting Homeland Security to help in the efforts on the island. The help sought was for manpower (agents), and also money to acquire proper equipment. In year 2015, PR had 1465 homicides- vastly greater than Chicago (mainland USAs worse)- and most of those homicides were drug related.
    As for Ramey closing, it did close because militarily , the DOD saw no more utility for it (ICBMs). Maybe the excuse given for the close was otherwise, but that was the main reason. Having said that, the reason is insignificant. It belongs now to PR and they can do with it as they wish. The recent push to forbid surfing on water entry when the waves are large, is probably a political effort to warn the surfing population to cease and desist trying to stop the build-up of the west coast for tourism (i.e. jobs, taxes, etc). A warning shot across the bow for surfers to realize that they are mostly guests on the island, and if the government wants to, they can turn the oceans into a snorkeling paradise if they wish to, with no surfing allowed. The claim that they are trying to protect the islands "rescue teams" from harm is pathetic--there are no rescue teams, there are no "lifeguards" other than a few ill trained hired at hotel beaches.. Ambulances are nothing more than expensive taxi rides to the hospitals; their crews have no training--they would not know how to put a bandaid on a bleeding person.....
     
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  18. smitty517

    smitty517 Well-Known Member

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    Oct 30, 2008
    You fellas presented some interesting factoids for which I can relate. Not necessarily PR specific but aftermath associated with base closings. Its a love - hate relationship. The host nation typically has issues with sovereignty etc when the US operates a base outside the CONUS. Then the base closes (strategic value dries up) and the host nation goes crazy trying to replace the revenue. They scramble with quick fixes they may get them elected but lack long term stability. They typically turn to what they know and what they can do. PR doesn't have the infrastructure or resources to attract big business (legal business) so they "run home to mamma" - tourism. Tourism, as we all know, is not the universal answer. Yes, will infuse money into the economy but the majority of the jobs are low paying so the people don't really get **** out of it. Then you throw on top the new rules and regulations and everything which furthers the **** show. Quite the quandary!
     
  19. tropic surfer

    tropic surfer Well-Known Member

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    Dec 7, 2011
    Barry is right with his description of the island population. Welfare, free phones, SS Disability (rampant) etc.
    Many people work hard, but many take advantage of the freebies, and when you have 2 or 3 people getting about $120-130. mo. each in food stamps, $20.-30 of it in cash, well, they get by, so why work?

    Rincon is busy as ever, seems more so each year. I'm waiting for the collapse of the dollar as world reserve currency and we may get some waves without a glut of visitors. But then the problem will be local surfers and spongers...
    As for Wildo, there was a NY Times article recently about it and one of the guys mentioned in it told me this hotel /complex will not happen. The owners are just trying to up the price of their land. Go find someone with $200 mil to build it..no problem, huh?
    I hope he's right.
    And, if it's built, and then goes under, then what? Another burned out, crime-ridden, dope dealing shell left to rot. Sweet.
    I still wouldn't live anywhere else because, like your favorite surf spot, once in a while you get it perfect and uncrowded. Those days we live for.
    That and being 20 mi. from Rincon helps. Very peaceful up in the hills.
     
  20. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Are you in Aguadilla, Aguada, Mayaguez?