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Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by metard, Apr 6, 2018.
Would be perfect with some 'thigh' high waves
HA that was a good one.
Iv never had a real dog of a board. If i had to choose one I'd say the 6'3 single fin. But i actually really like it. It's just harder to surf it how i surf other boards. Really got to read the wave. But in my mind that don't make it a dog.
For the guys with bad experiences with customs. Keep in mind there is what you want, and what you think you want. Two very different things. I don't shape (would love to learn) but i try to really understand the pros and cons of diffrent design elements and how to put them together. That way when i go in for a custom i better understand what it is i actually want. To add to that, there's shapers that will shape whatever you ask for. Even if it didn't make sense or add up to what your saying you want out of the board. That's not a good shaper. A good shaper will give his advice if what your asking for boardwise and what your saying you want out of the board aren't adding up.
Not saying customs can't be dogs. Just some food for thought for those with bad experiences with them
Had a corky carrol space stick a 6'4" single fin diamond tail in 1970 ,real pos top deck was ok,but the back half of the bottom deck was the shitte brown fiberglass resin from the auto parts store and the mesh was like volan cloth but thicker ,yeah boy she was a gem.
Da fin looked like one of the lee sisters
Yeah so many boards over the years ,wish i had kept some of the ones from 60s and 70s but who knew the vintage thing would make them kinda collectable now .even the frikkin stingers ,worst of all pos that ever were shaped by man are like collectable.
Like from Aipa?
Man those things were the shizznit back in the day
shes a hag who pre-formulated answers to her moral questions by way of her characters actions and set, declared motives instead of, like every other story on the planet earth, having characters whos actions are set and motives/morality are determined by the audience/reader.
but her basic premise is right: society is best served by people acting in rational SELF INTEREST
True listen to your shaper. I’m still fairly new into the game in shaping but so far I haven’t had a dog come out. I listen to what someone wants but I will totally tell them that’s not going to work or convince them to go with a better design. Especially bottom contours and how much foam vs what they really need. Liters are cool in all but people think it’s the only number they need now. Tail/nose Rocker and bottom contours affect the entry and feel of a board so much more than float. Especially in east coast beach break.
A 5’10 Surface softie that probably has close to a Carolina Skiffs worth of volume to it with absolutely no rocker, and the type of fins you can screw together with a quarter. It was supposed to help with ‘learning’ . Only probably ended up contributing to the lower back pain I feel now with how many times I was thrown into the scorpion over the falls.
100%. For instance, let's say your standard SB is 30 liters but more performance oriented. You want small wave board made. A lot of people would go with a bunch more volume. But the thing is that flater rocker, wider flat tail, and overall shape will help with catching/ riding smaller waves. Then all that extra volume you packed it makes it hard to turn. Now it's a dog. Where as you could probably stay at the same volume give or take a little and the board would work.
Volume is a great starting point. But there's much much more to consider. Including the type of waves the board is going to be used for and the design features attached to that style board
So true... In Florida I’ll use a slightly higher volume board because the takeoffs are softer But in nj I ride a stretch superbuzz at 29.5. In small knee-waist-headhigh stuff even when I’m in the 190lbs range. I shaped a winterboard for medium surf while wearing a 5/4 and it’s like 33ish but honestly I wish I had taken off more foam so it could be more versatile. It gets squirly when it’s 2ft+ oh
Beautiful,smart,likes to cook and clean, enjoys the same outdoor activities I like,wants sex every time I do, rich,never crazy...this is what I think I want, but you say it isn't what I really want? Damn.
Once had a bort that rode great on steep screamers but totally sucked on mushy EC surf. Too much rocker for slow waves. Lost stil the worst all round boards purchased off the racks. Poorly made and shaped. All custom borts shaped by dudes who have seen me surf. I think that helps. Some borts better than others depending on conditions. Best board eva NA twin shaped for a friend who did't like it. Potato patato.
The worse board I ever had is this message board!!
Bunch of morons!!!
I agree with the whole liters thing- talking to guys who work at surf shops locally even base everything off this volume measurement. But there's too many other factors... and it's not like it's an exact science with measuring liters, correct me if I'm wrong (I really am not 100%, since I don't pay much attention to the number anyways...) BUT how are they coming up with numbers like 31.4 liters? What's the science and math behind it? Is every shaper using the same approach? Anyways... besides that there is too many other factors... but every one things it's the magic number.
I guess to correct myself, if they are using a computer and shaping machine - it would be more of an exact measurement
The boards with liter numbers in shops are computer shaped and hand finished... if you get a fully hand shaped most shapers won’t even put a liter number on it. I design in cad and use those numbers to shape my boards so I have a rough number. Otherwise people measure board volume by sinking a finished stick in a tub of water and measure the displacement. It’s pretty reliable.
^makes sense Soul. My shaper does not and will not talk in "liter speak"...I like watching him hand shape. It is an Art.
Bing Swee Pee. Had high hopes for that board, turned out it was terrible. Could have been the fin set I was given when I bought it but it wouldn't turn at all, very slow. Half the time what clicks or doesn't click is the style of the rider. Me and the swee pee did not click and I ruined several sessions trying to get used to it.
I don't totally ignore volume, but like youse guys said, it's not the be all/end all either.
The thing that's good about volume is that it's a consistent reference point, regardless of shape. Volume determines "float" when you're sitting on your board or paddling around. If you know you need 27L for a board to "float you" the way you like, then that's a starting point for a conversation with your shaper. You can deviate from that number based on what kind of board you're talking about (fish vs. shortboard vs. groveler, etc.). So it's helpful to know what the volume of your current board is... just know you shouldn't be married to that number.