You dudes believe in UFO's????

Actually, it is quite the opposite. Most scientists are in agreement that, according to our current understanding of theoretical physics and the laws that bind our plane of existence, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. There are many scientists out there trying to disprove this currently, but much of their calculations are based on the existence of theoretical exotic matter. Matter that we are not even sure can exist in nature. Based on this, most scientists agree that alien visitation to this planet is very improbable. Not impossible, but also not such a given as you mention in your post. Most scientists also agree that climate change is real and humans are accelerating it.

 

I grew up way out in the hills of WV. I have spent many nights staring up at the sky, as we had one of the best views in the state. I have seen many strange things. However, I am guessing 90% of that will link back to human aircraft or other related phenomenon. I am a big scifi nerd, and I think it would be awesome if there was an alien race visiting us. A race that has technology to explore the stars. That is more just fantasy, because my skeptical side still asks the big questions like how and why.

 

Not to derail this thread. Go to CNN and read the comments section on the climate change articles they posted. There are some scientists and credible individuals that threw some pretty good information and questions back at the climate change theory. No one debates that the climate changes. We debate on WHY it is changing. Is it mother nature carrying out her course, that she has done many times over. Ice ages have come and gone. The earths atmosphere and temperature have been fluctuating since this rock we live on has been around and it has had nothing to do with human, mammal, dinosaurs or animals. But again, this is another thread.

And I think we established a few weeks ago that we live in an Oligarchy, not a true democracy.

 

wheres chuka boo boo lock ness footage?

 

Archy is going to send in his vid of the stationary contrails that he's seen so often. You could sit there watching for the slightest wisp of movement.... for hours.....and hours.....and hours....

 

Posts on CNN are not peer reviewed studies. Be careful what you believe on the interwebs.
This is worth some time studying, if you are interested in seeing the data: http://climatechange.procon.org/sou...-report-working-group-1-technical-summary.pdf

Also, the USA has never been a democracy. It is a republic by definition. Many think it is creeping into the realms of democracy, but that is probably more a matter of opinion.
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic

 

its fascist hyper-oligarchy, the will of the poeple is voted down 80%, I will look for sources

this is obviously because our leaders are reptilian aliens

 

Princeton good enough Brew?
http://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/G...ens and Page 2014-Testing Theories 3-7-14.pdf

heres a 2 page summary as opposed to the 42 page opus above

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-04-16/it’s-official-america-oligarchy-and-not-democracy

and for democracy to work, you need an educated populace....not quite thar yet

 

I am not arguing that. I am saying this country has never been a true democracy. As for the oligarchy thing, yeah, you will probably get my vote there too.

"Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But we believe that if policymaking is dominated by powerful business organisations and a small number of affluent Americans, then America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened."

Sounds about right.

 

Put me down for possible but need proof. Yes to intelligent life out there somewhere, has it visited? Is it visiting? Not sure...

Brew - What about the idea of warping space? Shrink it in front of the craft, expand it behind, and create a wave. Space surfing! Not restrained by the speed of light limit, the problem of increasing mass, or inertia/g forces/etc effects...

Naturally we are nowhere near to achieving this, but its possible an advanced civilization has figured this out and can travel at any speed, no limit.

Mind those gravity well potholes though.

Opens up a whole 'nother debate though...What kind of fins on that craft? Quad? Thruster? Old-school single fin? And what shape is best?

 

I know man, I read that CNN crap all the time. And people think we are mean to each other on SI. I am just saying, I read 10-15 really interesting comments on there, that kind of sit inline with my own thoughts on the subjects, and most people say the same thing at the end of the day. Its too late, so I really hope that the global warming community is wrong, because if they are right, well.... it doesn't matter anyway. We all has this out once a month I think.... I see on the one side, the scientists are sighting levels of gases and UV rays and radiation and all this stuff, all while comparing it to recent data figures and trying to make a definitive statement about the reality of everything. In an open forum like CNN, a lot of inteligent people cited, way more eliquently very similar patterns over the past hundreds of millions of years. The scientists say that there probably wasn't a time period, in which these escilations and fluctuations happened in such a short period of time. I heard 10 people chime in and cite the exact time period in which the climate and condition changes escilated at an even higher rate. There were no fossil fuels burning. There were no humans on the earth yet. There was nothing interfering with the OZ layer. Any gases, and changes were all resulting from various circumstances related from the earth core, to volcanic activity, to continnental drift, to a million different factors....

The summation I take from this is that we are living in an environment that changes. No one can argue against that. But its the same ol' sh**, just a different time period. Gas levels changed from the beginning of time. We had the ice ages, we had high sea levels than we have now, we had much lower sea levels... Like I said, not too long ago, Chicago was a giant ice block.... Seems that the earth has been warming up long before we got involved.... Where did the sheets of ice that covered half our continent go when humans were even around yet? And year after year, as this slow process continues, things seem to be speeding up little my little. a millimeter or so every decade or whatever....

Im just saying there are plenty of intelligent people that haven't jumped on board. People sounded like they had no clue when they called it "Global Warming" now they used an even more generic term so that no one could technically argue it... Climate change? I mean, we see climate change every day. I wake up and its 71 degrees, right now its 88 out. I experienced "Climate Change" today... so the fu** what? That broad term means nothing...

And to read the official article with statements from the white house and stuff. I mean it sounded silly. They literally said. It downpours harder when it rains lately. We have warmer summers. I mean, are you serious? We had plenty of hotter years 30 years ago, then we had some more mild ones. We had one heck of a freezing winter this year, and we did 10 years ago, and 40 years ago and so on and so on.

And you are breaking it down into zip codes and regions and how we are all going to be affected by it?

Let the money grab begin.... We all better get jobs in the climate change market, cause they are fast tracking this into a whole new industry, meanwhile the rest of the world doesn't care about it..... And we will turn it into a hundred billion a year market....

It a freaking scientists dream. Pouring money into research and think tanks. gonna be great...

I don't know the answers, I just think no one else does either.

BREW: I read part of that link. I dont have time to read 68 pages right now, but a lot of that data isn't what I am arguing... Sure, data over the past 60 years shows things warming up.... Like I said, Chicago isnt a block of ice anymore, that had nothing to do with humans. Things are accelerating because these large ice formations are not as large as they once were, thus affecting the global climate. I get it. I'm just not blaming FORD Motor company for it.

 

Exactly brew,

"our current understanding of theoretical physics and the laws that bind our plane of existence, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light."

Most of these scientists you are referring to, if asked, would tell you that what we understand is likely next to nothing... and the little we do know changes on a very regular basis. It's also widely accepted that mathematics is the one true constant in the universe. And it's been mathematically proven that space time can be bent, pushed, pulled, stretched, and torn. So with that, who needs to travel at the speed of light?

Look, I'm not looking for a debate. All I'm saying is that if you look around at the way life behaves in an exploratory sense, it just makes sense. Together with the sheer volume of very well documented sightings, contact,etc.. the level of government concern... It's really hard to say it's all make believe.

Just makes sense bro

 

/threadjack

Zach - How about spinning this off into another thread? Aliens are way cooler to discuss. I know, I've spoken to some, and am lobbying to get a ride on a ship and check out some surf breaks on other planets.

The data is there and available to see. The rate of change we are seeing today it nothing like anything we have seen in the history of the earth, not even close, and fits in right with the industrial revolution.

/threadjackoff

 

brew, they have done experiments with quantum states and quantum entanglement and two entangled particles have state changes that occur faster than light, a google search will reveal a variety of info on this

 

Actually, I think its not just that they are faster than light, they are instantaneous.

Quantum entanglement is going to open up so many possibilities.

 

My nana claims she saw a ufo a bit back and a few days after her encounter there was a news article released saying a strange aircraft was spotted in her area haha... If you mean some other life form out there when you say aliens then ferrsure. There are billions of galaxies out there so I think it's a slim chance that there aren't aliens. Will we ever meet them? Probably not and if we do it won't be for a VERY long time

 

and climate change- i mean, it took nature billions of years to sequester that carbon (photosyn>tree growth>treegrowth> fossilfuels) and we are releasing it much faster (less than a 1000 years for industrial revolution)

so you have 9 zeros to 'save it' and 3 zeros to 'spend it'..... 6 oprders of magnitude difference between the two.....increased carbon in atm cant be good, but to pretend to know that we can quantify the effects is a bit arrogant.

 

for sure, instantaneous would qualify as faster than light, I reckon, but you are exactly right

 

they might be watching us wondering when we are going to stop killing each other for natural resources, saying, 'these focks are complete savages, not going down there till they learn some manners'