You dudes believe in UFO's????

Perhaps the meteorological event most often used by global warming skeptics as a counterargument is the Medieval Warm Period. Around the 9th to 14th centuries, regions around the world experienced an increase in temperatures, similar to what we see today [source: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration]. Following this period, the Earth experienced a Little Ice Age where global temperatures cooled. It is conceivable that the Earth is currently experiencing something similar to this, skeptics say. Their point is, we simply don't know enough about long-term weather systems to say for certain one way or the other.

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A 2003 research paper published in the journal Science discussed the analysis of three ice core samples taken from Antarctica. The ice was around 240,000 years old, from the third Termination period, a climactic shift which ends each ice age. The findings showed that carbon dioxide concentrations rose between 600 to 1000 years before temperatures did, and before the Antarctic glaciers began to melt. The paper's authors suggested that carbon dioxide may not be the cause of global warming, but that it contributes to the process: Rising temperatures release carbon dioxide trapped in glacial ice and elsewhere, causing global temperature to rise even further.
This paper shows that the carbon dioxide increases may follow rising temperatures, not the other way around. What's more, the ice samples suggest this is a natural process. This observation is just one of the factors that, in the eyes of anthropogenic global warming skeptics, lets humans off the hook for global warming. Although they are satisfied with findings that the Earth is in a major warming trend, anthropogenic global warming skeptics believe that science places the blame on humanity without enough scientific proof to back it up.

 

good looks Zach, its a giant complicated process, and I dont think we have computing power (even if we knew all the inputs) to run the models accurately

but the answer is 42, if we did

 

I am just saying bros, to say that carbon levels have never risen this quickly, or that these temperature fluctuation over the past 150 years of sample data are so out of the ordinary or the earth cycle are nice ideas and all, but unproven. not factual. The earth releases carbon dioxide in many different way. Some of which are locked in polar ice caps... Ice melts, carbon dioxide releases and so on.... Temperatures have fluctuated for EVERY, in cycles... thats life.

I am sure we aren't helping, so don't take my opinions as such... I am just saying, we think the earth revolves around HUMANS, and it does not. My simple theory, is that take any industrialization out of our history, the temperature would be the same today as it would have been otherwise.

The hottest year in the US on record, since we have been recordings is still 1934.

The earths surface temperatures STOPPED rising from 2000-2010... Did we all of the sudden turn our vehicles off for 10 years? Did we stop smoking cigarettes, or stop digging for oil? Or stop using hair spray. No.... We were still mistreating the planet the same as we always do, and it just took some time off from doing what it does.

 

for the US, not the planet as a whole. that dubious honor belongs to 2010. we're talking about GLOBAL climate here, not just the US. just b/c we don't experience an upward linear progression of warmest years doesn't mean it's not happening, it's an average. the average global temp is going up.

yea, we were still mistreating our planet. but just b/c there may have been a "lag" doesn't mean it's not happening.

there's a bit of lag, but once CO2 ppm start up, temps are not far behind. a pretty drastic upswing begins around 1960, & temps follow about 20 years later.
also, 2013 is #4, globally:

notice how 1998 seems to be an outlier? that's b/c as this stuff happens, you get swings & ranges. seemingly random, super cold winters or super warm summers. then it seems to sort of settle back into the norm, but all the while the average temp is going up & up, till what once was an outlier, a freak of a year, is the new normal. look how many consecutive or near consecutive years are clustered together toward the middle-bottom of the top 10? 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2013...most of the top 10 warmest years, globally speaking, have occurred w/in the 21st century. that's not normal.

 

keeping it surf related, how many times in the last 5 years has someone ridden "the biggest wave ever"? almost yearly, it seems. one of the predicted effects of climate change is increased violent weather systems. violent weather systems create giant waves...

 

Sorry to nipick and Im sure you realize this but the difference is even at 2x speed of light will still take you 2 years to get to the nearest star. 100,00x and it still takes 10 years to cross the galaxy. With QE distance and time are irrelevant, you could be in a different galaxy and see the immediate change.

Communications will IMO be the first to benefit from this technology. No more bumping electrons along over a wire....

 

Well at least there's some good news out there then, more and bigger swells. And hopefully they'll just give up on beach replenishment.

Would suck to see the OBX and all our barrier islands disappear though.

The aliens will save us, they don't have good breaks on their planets. Its the real reason they're here.

 

first of all, UFO is jast an acronym for unidentified flying object...any object that's flying, yet unidentified

Anyway, I voted yes. I believe there are extraterrestrials flying around...because, while stargazing, I've seen some weird, unexplained **** .

However, if I'm correct, all the planets, of which we dont have enough knowledge whether they are inhabited or not, are so far away from us, it would take some incredibly advanced technology from which to travel to earth...probably time travel, which would probably not require a physical spacecraft.

 

Aliens came down and had sex with Neanderthals thus creating the current human model which peaked with the creation of one Robert Kelly Slater.

 

Werd.

I'd thrown Wardo in there too. Anyone who can just at the last moment decide to drive all the way across Australia (non-stop), pick up a chick, get blown in the parking lot, then run straight out to a contest ain't no normal human.

 

"any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." arthur c. clarke

 

they're probably inhabiting (or, at least, visiting) earth as we speak...moving about us without our knowledge. Reminds of the Star Trek episode where the aliens moved so fast we couldn't even see them...we were just like stone statues to them.

 

Dudes, its just like the movies. These creatures go into cryogenic freezing containers, and 7,500 years later, at warp speed they end up in our atmosphere. Their energy sources rely on star light and the ship is just in cruise control....

But on an even deeper level, maybe what we consider "time" is nothing to another species. Maybe these species are capable of living for millions of years at a time, so to them, a trip to earth is like a sunday drive to the mountains. What we consider time, in all relitivity may be the same, but the perspective of how we deal with time is different. They may not see startlight or sunlight for 1,000 years at a time. Maybe they hibernate for 1000s of years. Who knows man....

If any of this stuff is true, I file this under "we don't know" sh** about time and space.

What our scientists consider the universe, or if it is unable to be bent, maybe it already is bent. Maybe its a giant circle, with two ends touching. Maybe it can be folded in half.

How could modern human science disprove or even understand the universe. Maybe our universe is nothing more than a crystal ball on the table of some larger environment. Maybe some other being bumped it with their elbow and Pangea broke up.

If you guys are getting all space age deep, we don't know sh(*( about sh** ya know?

 

time and 3d space are related, I cant wrap my brain around how, but the maths says so

 

See my previous post. A similar pattern happened 250,000 years ago, and that is just based on a few random samples that they extracted. We have not fully evaluated the last 500,000,000 years. We have bits and pieces of the puzzle.

I don't disagree with your charts. Carbon Dioxide and Warmth can go hand in hand. Carbon levels have always gone up and down. Without human interaction. There is an obvious trend. That doesn't means humans are causing it. It may take 10 years, it may take 100, it may take 1000, levels will begin to drop and the weather will begin and different pattern and trend, as it always does.

I mean, explain the mini-ice ages that happened between the 9th and 14th centuries. Why did it go up and down then? Why did it equalize and go in another direction 500 years later? It wasn't because of our fossil fuel addiction.

If they had nifty charts like that back then, and you ran it over a 500 years span, it would look like a roller coast, not a step ladder that ranges for 15 years.

I ain't no scientist though.

 

Agreed, but I can't rule out the prospect that there are larger, more expansive things parenting the two. What we consider time and 3dspace may only relate to the universe that we inhabit. Maybe our time and space rotates somehow within a larger force that has a complete different set of what we consider time and space...

I know the math that we know verifies your statement, but as humans, that don't even use 90% of our brain power, I have a hard time believing that we know about much outside of our own realm. We dont even know about millions of species in our own ocean, much less what lies outside of our telescopes ranges our outside the paradigm of the human mind.

The rationale I speak of, if you ever consider religion, is that if Jesus was the "son of god", he could have been what we consider an "alien" that took the form of a human in order to interact with us and to translate the flaws that they saw inside of our crystal ball.... I dont want to change the subject, but if there were all these unexplainable things going on at that time, maybe we did get a visit from a being that is a higher force than us. Potential, from the species or the being that did create our universe... Not sure if that makes sense, but I am just trying to think outside the box and say that we don't understand everything.

Scientists feel the need to define everything. They have come a long way, but we would be far to feebdle to prove or find the evidence of these sorts of phenomenons