Yukon Men "wolf invasion"

I can't cite specifics atm but I read a recent study that indicated area where the elk was down had more to do with disease...

...and re-reading this thread reminded me how much I hate shark-hunter.

 

Are you cool with shooting a wolf "IF" the wolf is in the act of munching up live stock and or domestic animals? Or is this a zero tolerance policy. Not sure what the state by state rules are, but I am pretty sure you can 86 a mountain lion or other predator if it's on your property creating a direct threat..... I am not for hunting/killing anything that you won't consume, but in that case, are farmers etc. allowed to defend their land? And I don't mean pre-empted strikes for prevention, but rather literally catching a predator in the act?

Just asking. I never thought about any of this really until I read about it on SI. At least you guys are raising awareness to people that would have otherwise not even thought of these things.

 

I am totally ok with self preservation...obviously one has to neutralize anything threatening their well-being. If anything ios on your property attacking your dog, kid, pet goat, whatever...I understand it needs to be dealt with.

As far as cattle...see, that's the problem. The ranchers aren't around, nor the guard dogs, or the riders. Most of these predations happen in areas that the rancher ever steps foot on, as yankee noted, on public lands, bordering wilderness areas. But in the hypothetical situation of a rancher rolling up to his livestock being attacked I understand lethal measures being taken. But what usually happens is the rancher calls USFWS, they fly in, and take out half the pack.

And those situations are accounted for in law. In Montana for example, landowners can kill an unlimited amount of wolves on their land, year round.

 

Gotcha. Yeah, I wasn't talking about the rancher aspect. I just mean, like if MIS is smoking refer on his back porch and notices a wolf devouring his chickens, can he pull out and shoot? I am talking about a smaller scale. Like Fido is in the back yard and you go to let him in and see a wolf charging him....

I guess, on a large scale, these are things that I never really understood. In MD, most areas, they promote killing deer. Pretty much anywhere. They always called it "over population" and said that deer cause car accidents and all this. I never really thought it was right to just massacre these animals each year, but it was basically considered a sport, and all the meat was donated... But I just never saw the harm in those beautiful animals. We actually got off of school on the first day of hunting season every year.

I mean, I have seen my wife's uncle in rural Bmore county get up from dinner, pop a deer in the backyard, then sit back down and finish dinner. I was like, dang, that deer was just passing through man.... Ohh well.

 

And yes, I know that deer and wolves are completely different scenarios, I just always had a problem with that. I would see fields of deer, dozens, just laying peacefully on a farm... I would look around just waiting to hear the shooting start. Just thinking, dang, that is harsh.

 

Introducing a species like sheep into the habitat of natural predator like the wolf.
Who thought this was a great idea? I can only envision how that meeting went down.
Of course, the humans figured to exterminate the "worthless" predators such as wolves to enable them to graze money-makers like mutton.

Human brain activity (difficult to term it as 'thinking') has, thankfully, slowly started to change.

Of course the wolf is going to munch on some mutton. It's insanely disruptive to the natural food chain to have a blob like a sheep intro'd to one of the most refined, intelligent predators (no, not humans) that Ma has evolved over thousands of years.

Don't get me wrong here: sheep don't 'deserve it' - -that's not what I'm saying. I am saying that when humans fukk with Ma & intro species into an evolutionary food chain, the the results are, predictably, chaotic & brutal for all.

 

Think aboot why we have all them deer...

+1

 

Well, I would "assume" that over-population and urban development have pushed deer into tigther quarters, leaving roughly the same population size, but now they are having to deal with the development, thus interacting more with humans and vehicles etc..... So, that in layman terms is what I would gather from it. There are no more deer than there ever were, there are just way more people, cars, and walmarts.... I know. I know. Funny thing is, that same Walmart post you made months ago is happening right here on Hilton Head. As if one wasn't enough, they are building a second Walmart complex on the island. And everyone begged them to take over an already vacant old "Food Lion" that is even larger than their proposed complex. They firmly said no and will proceed to cut down an enormous amount of trees on the Island, and that is a big no no around here. But Hilton Head said they can't do anything about it....

Ohh, and we have a lot of deer here too. I guess they really can swim.

 

Since this thread came back, I'd like to add this...these are probly the same dudes with wolf tags, who claim to hunt for 'conservation', but are too lazy to hike the backcountry. Dozens of hunters were shooting into a herd of stationary elk, calling more buddies to arrive, several cited for unethical conduct. There are lengthier articles out there, this was my first hit...

http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/Elk-hunters-near-Helena-were-unethical/29623074

 

That stuff too. But no natural predators. Coyotes can but don't really count. Red wolves and Cougars used to share that region with you.

 

And those were just a few of the jackasses in Montana who got caught. This shiiiite is happening all over the USA, and the globe.

http://www.nytimes.com/video/opinio...TG-MOD-25353-11-08-L2&WT.mc_ev=click&WT.mc_c=

 

Swell Info has gone on a real PETA tear these days.

For the record I love elephants and tigers and lions and otters and polar bears and hawks and dogs and wolves all kinds of cool animals but I am 1 billion percent in favor of the killing of the ones that taste really good like cows and pigs and turkeys and chickens.

Polar bear sandwich? No, Thank you. Sausage and peppers grinder. Yes, Please. Otter Burger? Never. Hamburger? Twice a week forever. Ivory knick knack? God no. baseball glove? Got two of em. Lion rug? Would rather stand on ice cold concrete. Football? Lets have a toss of the old pig skin.

 

And then there's this: Peruvians stoning a sea lion to death as it rested on shore.
http://www.reuters.com/video/2014/11...eoId=346842216

 

[video=youtube_share;ysa5OBhXz-Q]http://youtu.be/ysa5OBhXz-Q [/video]
Anybody see this yet?

 

I don't know man. But I'm sure shart-fluffer is gona have an annurism when he watches it! 'What do you mean everything in nature is connected?!?' Then pop goes his lil brain.

 

This is good, actually. The people of New England, and our brother Seldom Seen, will offer up this day in celebration.

 

Doug.....awesome vid. Gracias for posting it. Totally agree with your sentiment & belief about connectivity in Nature.

If humans would just STFU, stay in their plague cities & be forbidden by other, rational humans from destroying the planet in the name of mammon.....this planet might have a chance at making it.

 

Con mucho gusto!