ZoSea, The World Tour and Brazil - Why the Snapper Contest was BS

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by ihatelongboarders, Mar 11, 2014.

  1. ihatelongboarders

    ihatelongboarders Well-Known Member

    Dec 13, 2007
    ZoSea has taken over the tour and after one event it looks a **** load slicker then the previous incarnations. A morning show, good commentary, throwing it to the desk mid-heat for "number breakdowns" and well produced and shot webcast of the actual heats.

    ZoSea has a huge stake in the success of the tour and ultimately need new markets to support their vision. ASP has shown that an AUS/USA sponsor backed tour can not survive on it's on and even with ZoSea claiming they could go 2 years without sponsorship, getting samsung on as title sponsor for the WCT was huge. What they need now is new markets to capitalize on.

    Brazil has been redheaded step-child of the surf world as long as i can remember. Although surfing is taking off in the last 20 years in Brazil, they'd never produced a world-class caliber surfer...until recently.

    Adriano led the charge and has been followed by Pupo, Medina, Toledo and others but are they really that good? Clearly Gabe showed after winning two events in his rookie season that he can hang in there but is he truly world class or is he, and other Brazilians getting some help from behind the scenes?

    Think of it like this, you're a new tour, you have some surfers on there from a new surf hungry market and a populous in Brazil that is become wealthier and more affluent. Wouldn't it make sense to get these guys up on the podium?

    if you look at the heats that involved Brazilians yesterday, more often than not they won at in the dying seconds of the heat and by mere fractions of a point. it seems to me like ZoSea is dictating a narrative rather than letting the surfing speak for itself.

    tl;dr : ZoSea is pushing the brazilians to win and ruining surfing.
     
  2. bungalowparkbob

    bungalowparkbob Well-Known Member

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    Jan 21, 2013
    Nope. Parko got robbed, Medina and DeSouza were slightly overscored a few times, but the Brazilians on the whole won their heats fair and square. All of them were looking as smooth as ever. Plus they are more respectful and professional than ever.

    All around good contest. Interesting to see the different approaches to such a unique wave in relatively sub par conditions.
     

  3. ihatelongboarders

    ihatelongboarders Well-Known Member

    Dec 13, 2007
    The Adriano/J. Flo dust up was professional? I don't think so, if anything it was par for the course for the brazzo's.

    additionally just because Gabe can mumbled thru more than 5 words in the english language doesn't up his professionalism. also, what was with the "god told me to catch that wave" stuff? wayne, is that you?
     
  4. bungalowparkbob

    bungalowparkbob Well-Known Member

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    Jan 21, 2013
    Comparing them only to past Brazilian performance and composure. Didn't hear the god quote. Adriano needs to wear trunks that fit better for sure. That interference was Jeremy Flores' fault.
     
  5. worsey

    worsey Well-Known Member

    Oct 13, 2013
    pro brazilian bias

    i genuinely believe jjf and gabriel medina are the two best so if gm won cause of talent
    maybe there is no bias. be interesting to see how this 'new world order' treats jjf.:confused:
     
  6. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    Anyone but Medina or any of those filthy Acai munchers

    JJF!
    KS!
    PAAAHHKO!

    ANYONE but Medina, please

    My new Banner to fly at contests? ABM ANYONE. BUT. MEDINA.

    I wanna see the little turdish man-boy cry again
     
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  7. njsurfer42

    njsurfer42 Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2009
    assuming your entire theory is true (& i'm not disagreeing. i hate the brazzo 'tude & style of surfing), i feel the need to remind everyone that they are not ruining surfing. they are merely destroying competitive surfing. surfing can & will survive just fine w/out pros & the asp. the asp, however, needs surfing. if crap judging & questionable rules persist, the market for professional surfing will dry up & no one will watch.
    would that be a bad thing? ah, i dunno. maybe, maybe not.
     
  8. stinkbug

    stinkbug Well-Known Member

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    Dec 21, 2010
    Zosea...etc etc.
    It doesn't matter how slick and produced it is.
    The average American doesn't give a crap about pro surfing or surfing in general, and never will. I'd be surprised if 1% of Americans know who Kelly Slater even is.
    This ain't Australia...
    And that's a good thing.
     
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  9. ihatelongboarders

    ihatelongboarders Well-Known Member

    Dec 13, 2007
    I'll give you they're better suited socially then like Neco and surf better. Adriano needs new trunks for sure. and while i can see how people say it was J Flo's fault for that interference it was such a chicken sh*t move by Adriano to pull that priority like that. It was heat strategy for sure, but it looked so lame.
     
  10. ihatelongboarders

    ihatelongboarders Well-Known Member

    Dec 13, 2007
    I can agree that JFF is on that next level but Gabriel doesn't do anything particularly fantastic like JFF's barrel riding or air game. Gabe threw a few back flips this winter but it wasn't like Flynn Novak wasn't doing those 10 years ago.
     
  11. ihatelongboarders

    ihatelongboarders Well-Known Member

    Dec 13, 2007
    I guess? The most recent foray of pro surfing into the mainstream culture at the US Open in Huntington was pretty terrible.

    If you look at Aus tho, guys like Occy, Tom Carroll, Rabbit etc are sport legends on par with any big time athlete from the core 4 american sports.


    I don't know if total main stream acceptance in the US will ever be a thing but for the first time EVER my wife watched with me and seemed "into it" which never happens.
     
  12. ihatelongboarders

    ihatelongboarders Well-Known Member

    Dec 13, 2007
    I don't know if it'd be a good or bad thing. Unlike 20 years ago, the future of surfing isn't happening in the contest arena. it's happening literally everywhere but the contest site.
     
  13. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    Yep, gotta get those three safety turns in, no time for a giant punt!
     
  14. ihatelongboarders

    ihatelongboarders Well-Known Member

    Dec 13, 2007
    i was pretty surprised at the lack of "futuristic" surfing in this event but you're totally on point with the 3 to the beach mentality.
     
  15. cepriano

    cepriano Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2012
    are Brazilians surfers good?
    are there naked dix in gay porn?
    medinas rookie year,he beat Kelly in every heat they had,literally every heat.he shined at trestles a few yrs back.also his rookie year I think he won 4 events,which is unheard of for a rookie.adriano always finishes among the top 10 at the end of the year.all the young brazzos rip too,mostly aerial stuff tho.theres big wave brazzos,power surfing brazzos,willian cardosa,another powersurfer he beat Kelly multiple times.

    next the quikpro is the 1st contest,and almost everytime they run it the waves are crap.i only caught 3 heats during the whole contest.the new format does suck.i didn't see any of the heats or the highlights.snapper seems like a real fickle wave.the takeoff is usually a crappy wave but it grows nice as it travels across the bar.

    as far as medina vs jj,medina has a way better tour record,but john john is the one and only john john.they are about even with the airs,i think jj carves better and rides the barrel better.john john was born to win,he was surfing pipe since he was 4.by 6 he was out on 15 ft days with a helmet.john john is todays Jamie o brien.everyone hates on Jamie but that was jj idol and Jamie taught him a lot.those who charge the hardest pay dues.Jamie o broke both legs,jj broke his back out there at pipe.and medina,and all Brazilians,they come from the slums where they don't even have running water or electricity.when they get good at a sport,they dedicate their life to it,way more than American surfers
     
  16. ihatelongboarders

    ihatelongboarders Well-Known Member

    Dec 13, 2007
    Classically Brazilian surfers have been AWFUL. there's a surge that started with Adriano and i guess has culminated with Gabriel. He won 2 WCT events in his rookie year and he beat Slater both times. I can't find his overall record in heats v slater but i don't think he's undefeated against him. De Souza does have five top 10 finishes but has choked more often than not when it comes to big wins as he only has 4 contest wins in almost 10 years on tour.

    I'm going to disagree about the Snapper Contest having bad waves. Compared to Portugal last year, Trestles all the time or every single contest ever held in Brazil the waves at SuperBank are so much more consistent and contestable, especially for futuristic surfing then other events on tour.

    Also, if you only saw 3 heats, you're view on the wave quality is pretty biased. Go to the event site and check out the heat analyzer, you can watch ever single heat of the event in its entirety. you'll see there were some seriously good waves at the end of the comp. It's fickle to a degree but that's more wind/tide dependent.

    I'd like to see you tell J.O.B or JJF that they're not as motivated or dedicated then the Brazilians. JOB/JJF have the advantage of growing up on the north shore but there's a huge variety of quality surf all over brazil.

    Also, Medina grew up in Sao Paulo, the largest city in Brazil and comes from a modest, but middle class back ground. Same with Adriano. These kids aren't from the favela's so painting them as some homeless beach kids on the come up is false.
     
  17. metard

    metard Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2014
    i think stink bug is in their dna or something like that
     
  18. newenglandflatness

    newenglandflatness Well-Known Member

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    Oct 12, 2012
    I can't understand why anyone is giving Adriano sh** for dropping in on Flores. It is a surfing COMPETITION. The goal is to win. Disagree with priority rules if you will, I think they need tweaking, but as the rules stand, Adriano not taking that wave when Flores has already laid really nice turn to start would have been terrible competitive surfing. You can't let someone take a potentially high-scoring wave under your priority when they are sitting 150 feet further up the point than you.

    Kelly dropped in on Parko at Kirra last year.

    I thought the contest was scored pretty well, maybe a couple overscores on Medina, and as usual, a couple overscores for Kelly. I don't always love Gab's surfing but he laid a whole lot of really solid backhand turns in this contest...more than just an air guy for sure.

    With the whole progression/futuristic surfing in competition thing, I think they're still finding a balance. That year Medina came on at the ill-fated midyear split and won two comps, the panel was scoring single maneuver waves and crazy airs way higher than they ever had before, and while some cool airs got tossed, I definitely thought they went a little too far toward progression. Variety and the ability to read a wave and link moves throughout the entirety of the wave definitely deserves to be rewarded as well.

    Last year, I thought they went too far back toward safety turns. Mick surfed a great year, but a couple of his heats were just so boring to watch in small surf. You can only listen to commentators talk about his Coolangatta carves so many times. Hard to say where they'll lean this year, as not many people were testing how the panel would score airs at Snapper.
     
  19. njsurfer42

    njsurfer42 Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2009
    i don't think anyone is disagreeing w/ the fact that it made competitive sense. i think the issue stems from the fact that he took off so late, which ended up causing a collision, something many see as dangerous & since adriano already has a "win at all costs" reputation, this incident just added to that. i think both flores & de souza are lucky they weren't injured.
    fwiw, kelly dropped in on parko quite a bit further ahead, so there was no danger of collision in his action & parko has an opportunity to straighten out/get off the wave, thus avoiding the interference call. the goal of that move is to get your opponent off the wave, not trap them into a heat losing interference. hell, flores did the same thing a wave or 2 earlier in the heat, but again, there was no risk of collision or injury to another competitor.
     
  20. newenglandflatness

    newenglandflatness Well-Known Member

    285
    Oct 12, 2012
    All valid, I suppose we differ in that you stated (maybe in the other thread, where a lot more sh** was given to Adriano about this) you thought Flores never saw Adriano - I disagree, and think he did (he finishes the turn, looks down the line where Adriano is paddling, looks back at the pocket, then looks forward again and crashes into Adriano). I think he kind of assumed that Adriano would get up and get down the line, so he didn't just turn it out straight. Then Adriano got held up in the lip, and well, we all saw what happened. It's on Flores though, when you know you don't have priority, then you need to know where your opponent is in the line-up - he has the right to the wave, whether he gets caught up in the lip or not.

    No problem with a "win at all costs" approach when it's done legally within the rules, and I don't think Adriano wanted to collide there, though he probably was looking to bait an interference of some kind. I can see some of the frustration because it was so early in the heat and wasn't blocking a heat-winner, but IMO, Kelly drops in there, too (certainly later in the heat)....he just makes it ha!